Simple concept that was defined as “it can mean all things”… kinda not really simple if it’s literally everything and nothing at the same time, no?
So these “real” click and play people are basically… literally everyone? Now that’s interesting how it turned out lmao…
Who is not real then if actually everyone is?
Keep projecting, I guess.
I appreciate you might not like me using the games systems how they were intended. I have actually offered a fairly reasonable suggestion on how to make the game more enjoyable for everyone which will mean that the V2K system won’t get “Abused” the way some players feel it is.
However you seem more interested suggesting that players don’t use the LFG system at all, over actually putting in a tick box which will allow players to enjoy the game how they please.
But I should point out again, that from my experience most players are happy to rush through TW. It’s a rare occurance that one comes across someone wishing to take their time. But again, that’s just from my experience of thousands of TW dungeon over the years.
As I say, you seem more interested in projecting a negative outlook and naming calling over having a reasonable discussion, and understanding other peoples point of view.
Hence, maybe you should start to consider your own behaviour.
Kick people for being slower than you wish. Accuse others of “projecting a negative outlook”.
Recognising an issue and suggesting an idea which will make the game more enjoyable for everyone. Isn’t really a negative.
Refusing to discuss, telling people to not use a system, and opting to name call? that’s pretty negative to me.
Again, its not everyone. It addresses your specific issue.
Another “fix” that doesn’t involve developers making systems that split the playerbase is you not acting like a douche. Again, thats a descriptor of how you act, not you being called a name so I don’t hurt your feelies.
Look, its even in the code of conduct. Do you think kicking people for being slower than you’d like meets those expectations?
Expectations:
It’s a great solution though.
It allows me to play the game with like minded people, and allows slower players to play with like minded people.
It’s a win win.
Yes, and using the Vote To Kick button does meet all those expectations. Those expectations are put to a Vote, and if the Vote is Yes and the player is kicked then the kicked player was found to be not following those expectations.
If the Vote was No, and then someone kicked off about it, then that would be falling out of expectations (and would likely end up in another kick anyway).
It’s the players in the group working as jury in this situation. If the rest of the group agree that the slower player is in the wrong, then they are in the wrong.
Again, you don’t need to like it. But name calling someone for using the games systems the way they were intended reflects badly on you. Even you think you have the best interests in mind.
I pay for this Premium game because I was a smooth gaming experience. I want to play with players of a similar skill level as myself, and if an option was there where I never needed to play with people below a certain threshold of experience, I would be all over it. And that is better for everyone, not just me.
It really does scream immature people who don’t get the concept of what reasonable expectations are from fully random grouping.
The option is there. Its called pre-mades.
Random LFG->Random 4 other people which MAY or MAY NOT meet your “standards”.
Not sure what else is difficult to understand about this concept.
But if I just use the LFG TW Dungeon finder, 99% of the time I don’t have a problem. So why go through the effort.
As I say, I think I only see a V2K come up maybe once a TW week, and that’s only when I’m grinding them. Initiate one myself? Maybe once a year.
Its a rare occurrence, since most players seem happy with going at speed.
Rare but its not “mandated” to go fast.
Yes, even when I was leveling my alts, most leveling dungeons peps are probably doing, but I get a few runs here and there when the majority of the group wants to go slow and they also have every right do go slow if they want to. If I dont personally like it, I either deal with it or leave it, not demand the rest of the 4 people to go at speed I want them to. Its LFG not “looking for super extra turbo fast omg lolol GO GO GO GO dungeon finder”.
Which is exactly what I do.
But if 1 person is holding up the group, and the rest of the group want to go fast, then what option do they have?
How do you know if the rest of the group wants to go fast? the 3 other could have just as well been ready to go slow or where indifferent = didn’t care if its slow or fast.
Maybe you decided to raise a fuss about it and the other 3 didnt oppose you but doesnt mean they agreed with you either.
Pugs have the mentality that a lot of people prefer to just stay quiet and “didnt see anything and didnt hear anything” and not get involved in any drama.
Well there are two ways to tell.
The first was is when 3 other people in the group are telling the tank or other player to hurry up, and they ignore/refuse to comply. That’s usually the sure fire way to tell.
The other way is by putting a vote up, if everyone clicks yes, then they agree.
You’ll be surprised how often example number 1 is the case. I genuinely find players going slowly the minority of players I come across in dungeon finder.
So the guy should just be treated as a 2nd-class citizen in super easy content if he is not an “MDI-wannabe tryhard”.
A bit off-topic but its one of the reasons why I refuse to tank m+s for random pugs. Done being a servant for some DPS who wants big pulls for “his parses”.
or they click yes to prevent a drama since I have also had cases where I voted no for an obvious newbie tank bullying, the vote failed and had 1 dps starting a ragefest about it.
While extremely rare, I’ve witnessed this definitely at least twice in the last 15+ years. Though I don’t remember the amount of votes-to-kick that didn’t pass that have happened in those 15 years to convert it to a percentage. So potentially it is a 10%+ percentage for my experience.
Most of the dramas that I remember for failed vote-to-kicks happen in LFR when people try to bypass the dps queue by queueing as healer (and rarely as tank) and some people press “No” because the player who bypassed the queue is topping the meters.
I don’t really think rushing through a TW dungeon is trying to be an MDI wannabe try hard. It’s just getting the content done quickly and efficiently.
If the group as a whole wants to move faster, but 1 person is holding them back and refusing to step up, and the a V2K is passed then that’s the vault of the player refusing the move with the group.
That also works in the opposite direction. Which is not something I have denied.
All I have done is suggest a way to make the game more enjoyable for everyone.
It’s called Make Your Own Group!
You don’t want “experience” per se, you want somebody to play the game the same way you do, the only way to get that is by vetting your group yourself, not an automated system.
Actually… I just took a look and in the world with proper definitions, not such as “it can mean everything”… then yes. It 100% makes sense.
So by your own standards, that you brought in, in form of CoC, it completely meets the requirements lmao
Lmao indeed. Those mental gymnastics. ‘Being uncomfortable with big pulls is against the CoC’
Can you hear how stupid that sounds? I mean prolly not because youre huffing your own supply but thanks for the morning entertainment i guess.
You mean when someone says “it can mean anything”? Yes. It sounds incredibly stupid to me when we have no clear definitions. When everything can mean anything.