But when i play arena, it takes me under 1 minute to change some essences / respec / change a cpl of items to do some m+ keys or raid or whatever.
In Shadowlands your gonna grind for how long? Weeks? Months to respec from one content to another to be relevant?
if it turns out to be true im gonna announce "the first tauren moonkin to stand on xxx mountain top in xxx content and flap its wings and give me a moonkin dance gonna get all my gold (and its a nice amount) " and then imma log my pally out in legion order hall for its eternal sleep.
(I have a moonkin crush i even try to avoid to kill them in random bgs they just so cute)
I hope they will stick to their guns. Finally some proper meaningful choices back into an RPG game. But let’s try to ruin that, so everything feels bland and boring again. There is nothing wrong with having strengths and weaknesses. The people crying the hardest about it seem to be the same ones who jump on what’s FOTM and broken.
I took my decision. If covenants are released in the state Blizzard is trying to release it I won’t buy it. I’ll play TBC because I won’t support them being stubborn and arogant pretending they know better what is fun for us. I played this game for so long that I know this system will be a flop like I knew from the first day when I saw azerites. Ion has to go - he is ruining every expansion he touched with his “systems” and “philosophies”.
And I will not play it if it turns into a bland and boring, meaningless crap again. Throughout the years this game has gone further and further away from its roots thanks to a community who thinks what it wants.
You speak about Role playing but disregard that these choices will take away from “this is what my character would pick” and turn it into “I need to pick this cause this is the endgame content I will benefit most from”
If a druid has to pick Necrolords over the Night Fae because M+ is his bread and butter it will be a sad thing.
The core of an RPG is as its name suggests, Role Playing and not anti consumer practices and compulsory meta gaming
There is no choice. It will actually take choice for you. If you take raiding covenant there is huge chance it will be garbage in PvP so you will never ever find good 3v3s partners that are pushing higher because you’ll ne see as noob and opposite. Imagine taking the best arena covenant and people will kick you from M+ group because other Ele does more dps with other covenant. This way covenant locks you to the certain type of content.
They tried to balance Legion legendaries and they failed because there were 3-4 that you’d swap on fights and never even use others. Nobody will tell me that Prydaz was useful for dps player. Same with azerites yet they try again. Do you know what’s the best definition of mental illness - doing the same thing over and over again expecting different result.
They were fun to use. It was not fun how you acquired them, and the fact that they were your entry key to HC raids and high m+ keys. Is it really that fun to wait until RNGesus blesses you with your BiS legendary to raid? No, it isn’t, and if you say otherwise, you’re either dumb or lying.
It’s not meaningful when you don’t make an actual RP choice, and instead, base your pick based on endgame content viability, especially when you don’t allow people to respec / there is a massive respec wall, and the fact that you know that the covenants will get rebalanced, and the fact that we didn’t even see 95% of the remaining content in the game.
Lore driven and cosmetic choices are much more meaningful, because you are making a decision based on what you like.
Also this:
Uh-oh. Uhhh…
Edit: To be fair, we don’t know yet if these are thorgast specific upgrades, or for any content, or part of the Soulbinds system, but these better be Thorgast specific only. A few abilities ARE Thorgast specific (Darksight Orb-s as an example), but you never know with Blizzard.
IDK man, I used to push all the way to 15+ every week with sephuz/predaz. Hell I used to push also with Aggram’s strider with my dk.
Yes, better legionaries would surely make my life easier, but even those who were considered bad like the ones I mentioned were good enough to push HC raids/M+… Mythic raids I am not so sure as I have stopped those long ago.
Sure, if you push your own keys, yes, you can get away by lacking the “requirements”, however, if you were to join a PuG, especially during progression phase, people WERE asking for legendaries, else no invites.
It’s a very normal pug mentality as well: people want to make a solid group so that they can clear content without hiccups. I can’t even remember how many times I was asked when I was joining +10 pugs on my shadow priest if I had Sephuz’s Locket, as it was extremely BiS for M+ as a shadow priest. I was fortunate enough that it was my first legendary I got, 5 weeks after the start of Legion.
However, my biggest concern is that this Legiondary System is also bumping it’s nose into PvP as well.
Edit: Legiondaries were also demanded in a lot of progression guilds. This resulted in a lot of people being benched.
Exactly this, but u know, crying is always easier. But if this crying going on long im afraid they just gonna let people swap whenever they want, and we will see raids will go out swap coventants for each bosses. Truly amazing rpg element indeed!
That’s a player made problem, not a game system problem. Having 1 extra ability that functions a bit different than the other won’t make or break the game. If you can’t finish a dungeon or get to high rating because of a different ability, I’m sure that’s a player problem. I guess we also should make it so that every class has the same spells, so that we have 100% balance from now on.
No becouise they want to create meainingfull choice for players which is rpg aspect what hasnt been in wow for ages. Last meaingfull choice we did was back in classic with our talents and class choice. An d i dont get why you want just another talents what you will min max and just pick what will be best choice for this and this boss.
And how exactly you will going to pick players based on covenant when on boss 1 Bastion will be great and Nigh Fae suck, on boss 2 Necrolords will be great and Nigh Fae suck, on Boss 3 Nigh Fae will be great and all others will suck.
Are you planing to rotate players in Mythic+ based on what covenant they play? OH wait you cant do that. You can still do it for raids but gl finding players to replace players with nonbis covenant on boss 3.
But unlike the Azerite system we’re gonna get the Covenants pretty early into the Alpha. Azerite came into the BfA Beta lietrally a few days before it went live. The Legion Legendaries were available at vendors until the last day so we never had to slog through the aquisition process.
The Covenant System however is coming pretty soon. With everything it entails. So why not hold of the Panic until we’ve seen it. So far people are loosing their minds without having seen how it’s actually playing out. What if the Classes are being balanced around it? What if this is just a first rough sketch of what it’s gonna be like? We just don’t know enough about it yet.
Yes but those bis comps will be different from boss to boss, from mythic+ to mythic+ there wont be 1 clear bis answer what will excel in all situations. And people wont demand it. And you can always create your own groups so it isnt really excuse anyway.
You can’t think like this. This is MMO game. Community creates ways this game is played. You can’t create system that punishes someone and benefits someone on his choice and then pretending that there is no problem and that people are evil. Good dev should monitor thr game. It’s tendencies and player’s behavior. WoW devs prooved multiple times that they don’t understand WoW’s community like they were not even playing their game. They measure everything with tables. They think that content is fun if people are doing it often. That’s wrong - people do things that are the most efficient. This fictional choice is good in theory but it won’t work in practice.
It’s like commuinism that is beautiful in theory that everyone can be whoever he wants. If you want a car you go to warehouse and take one but human nature doesn’t work that way. People are greedy and they will exploit priveleges. We all know how it ended. Some dictator’s expoiting their power etc. The same thing happens in WoW and you can’t force community to play like you want. They will take optimal choice and you can’t do anything about it. The only way to make covenants equal is to give them the same spell with different animation but then it doesn’t make sense either.
cant wait for new covenant addon to raider io and new firms of excluding others 