Specialize with the New Augmentation Evoker

[Carawn-bloodhoof]

Oh yes, just let me channel my inner DAOC

[Billyblue-magtheridon]

@Apsalare-turalyon

First - gameplay should be priority over lore because if game is not fun it’s a bad game and it is not fun when you dead in the water each time when your speck tuned poorly - which let’s face it happens all the time.

I never said they should be prioritise Lore over Gameplay.

A new Spec for a hero class should feel impactful for both Gameplay and Lore. That’s my point. The suggestions don’t add an impactful Gameplay either.

The only historic example of a new Spec was when Druid split Feral into Feral and Guardian. However both already felt like their own separate specs anyway.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

@Nimrhys-steamwheedle-cartel

Wheeze they fooled us there. “No, there’s spec in 10.1” should have watched the wording!

Dismissing that a tank spec was coming and then to reveal it’s a dps spec. Well played

[Slinks-silvermoon]

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

This class never was a 2 spec class

[Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità]

They literally hinted at a 3rd spec back in April 2022 (even tho back then was obviously impossible to spot for us).

“Tank spec is unlikely, this is a spellcaster class at it’s core. The class is INITIALLY going to have two specs, but if they do have a third rdps/heal is where they are focused”
Citing Danuser here

But sure let’s call Evoker a 2 spec class because there was no sign of their 3rd spec for 4 months after their release. Totally comparable with DH 7 years.

Circle around words as much as you like. Truth is, Evoker development included that spec as well.

[Gulruuk-stormscale]

DH is not some class that’s stuck in time. They’re here now and they’re on the same ever-evolving adventure as the rest of the classes in WoW.

It’s entirely plausible that they have another big moment in the near or distant future which would allow for Blizz to add something for them.

[Slinks-silvermoon]

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

This class never was a 2 spec class

ah man
Just… chill

It was a 2 spec class
It wasn’t launched as a 2 spec, soon to be 3 spec class
There wasn’t any information about it pre-DF , launch DF , or very early (first 3 months) into DF

It was a 2 spec class, and the lack of communication makes me cringe
If they came out and said it was a planned 3 spec class but the last spec requires more work, no problem

The way this has been handled, was only ever going to be a spit in the face to DH
and I genuinely do not care for the lore arguments
Evokers appeared out of nowhere for DF with their lore made to fit

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

Evoker was designed with 3 spec, they just wanted to experiment with releasing one later, binding it to story develoment.

You don’t know that. That’s your assumption.
If you have proof of your claim, I’ll glady concede.

[Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità]

@Slinks-silvermoon

It was a 2 spec class
It wasn’t launched as a 2 spec, soon to be 3 spec class

Imagine the uproar and crying from people if they came out like “oh evoker is 3 spec but you only get 2 for now”
Imagine the hype killin effect.
Everyone would have been like “bUt i WaNtEd tO pLaY tHat NAWWW”

It is pretty much like if they gave out the entire expansion storyline, raid locations, twist all before the exp even started.

Why would they reveal all their cards at once exactly?

@Slinks-silvermoon

There wasn’t any information about it

Oh i wonder why. Maybe because they know people datamine and they wanted us not to know. Up until adamanthia when they obviously wanted to hint more at it specifically

@Slinks-silvermoon

If they came out and said it was a planned 3 spec class but the last spec requires more work, no problem

Nah you would have been here anyway whining on how Blizzard delayed one Evo spec, but did not do the same with DH.

@Slinks-silvermoon

The way this has been handled, was only ever going to be a spit in the face to DH
and I genuinely do not care for the lore arguments

You would have called it a spit in the face even if it was 3 spec from the start.

@Slinks-silvermoon

Evokers appeared out of nowhere for DF with their lore made to fit

The entire game appeared out of nowhere. If you expect a game not to create new things and tie them to the past after 20 years you are beyond delusional.

[Slinks-silvermoon]

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

Imagine the uproar and crying from people if they came out like “oh evoker is 3 spec but you only get 2 for now”
Imagine the hype killin effect.
Everyone would have been like “bUt i WaNtEd tO pLaY tHat NAWWW”

Disagree & you don’t know that

I’m pointing out your Factually incorrect statement here

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

This class never was a 2 spec class

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

It is pretty much like

It’s nothing like

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

Why would they reveal all their cards at once exactly?

Good communication =/= revealing all cards at once

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

Oh i wonder why. Maybe because they know people datamine and they wanted us not to know.

according to you it was always a 3 spec class

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

Nah you would have been here anyway whining on how Blizzard delayed one Evo spec, but did not do the same with DH.

Assumptions, you don’t know me and there is no way to tell how I would have reacted in a different timeline of events

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

You would have called it a spit in the face even if it was 3 spec from the start.

More assuming… wow you’re really good at this

@Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità

you are beyond delusional.

Don’t insult me

[Hínáta-kazzak (Hínáta)]

A tank spec based on the brute side of the dragons would’ve been an absolute menance and a blast.

Blizzard missed a huge opportunity to introduce new customizations to the drakthyr ( Brute body type ) and a really interesting touch to the class.

[Bregastrasz-pozzo-delleternità]

@Slinks-silvermoon

Don’t insult me

Not my fault, that is just pretty much what people like you deserve

[Abyssian-outland]

Thank you so much this is fantastic! Whiel on the subject, can we please get proper flying for Evokers too?

[Lyllaste-argent-dawn]

I think it’s a rather decent answer. There’s a reason why we have different difficulty levels in raids and pve content in general but people seem to forget that

No matter the content it needs to be about perfectly doing everything and getting maximum efficiency x’D I for one am glad to get a unique spec. I was getting bored with every class having a burst button, a defensive button, a cc button just with different graphical flavors for the sake of balancing. xP

Also tested the class on ptr, it won’t top dmg meters, but it doesn’t hit like a wet noodle either, it’s buffs are pretty decent actually…I can’t speak for high end content, but for general content it will be really fun to play as.

[Soelle-draenor]

And how do you know what people want in the first place?

[Hildisvini-tarren-mill]

I must say I am pretty disappointed that they decided to add a new spec for evoker that is also a ranger dps.
I would have liked to see them try to widen the devastation or preservation trees.

The whole class feels more like a test dummy now for blizzard to try new mechanics.

If this new playstyle is a success how are they gonna expand it to other classes?
Or are everyone that likes to play dps support gonna have to play augment evoks?
Are some classes gonna get a 4th spec for support or are they gonna completely rework existing specs into supporters?

What about if the spec is largely disliked and only a handful wants to play it?
Are they gonna buff it to the point where it is borderline mandatory or rework it to the point where it’s like any other dps spec with a few small party buffs, like shamans.

That’s just my thoughts on it and time will tell if it was a good choice or not.
Gonna be interesting to see how this is gonna playout, adding a new spec and niche in the middle of an expansion.
Good though that it is added in a x.5 patch so most of the season has been finished and it has time to get balanced and reworked for the next season.

[Lyllaste-argent-dawn]

You can expend it to other clasess with ease, in wow universe most magics are able to empower other beings (doubt none magic classes would get a support spec) but I can see for instance mages and shammies easily getting one.

[Chronormi-outland]

@Lyllaste-argent-dawn

shammies

You’d think something named “enhancement” is a support spec, but nope it’s just melee DPS.

[Synergíe-mirage-raceway]

Dracthyr…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Hildisvini-tarren-mill]

@Lyllaste-argent-dawn

You can expend it to other clasess with ease, in wow universe most magics are able to empower other beings

Yes, lore-wise it is no issue. I’m mostly thinking from a gameplay perspective.
Are a lot of classes now gonna get a 4th spec for support or are we gonna “lose” a spec to rework it into a support spec?
Are mages gonna have 3 pure dps and 1 support dps?
Or are they gonna rework arcane into a support spec?

@Lyllaste-argent-dawn

doubt none magic classes would get a support spec

Warrior could easily fit the dps support type.
Shouts and banners, 1h+shield ofc to give us back the gladiator feel from WoD.
Pretty much everything in warcraft is magical in some form.
“selfish” or “loner” classes is most surely not gonna get a support specs.
Those classes being like rogue, warlock, dk etc.