Like quoting someone out of nowhere just to tell them with faux authority and in a veiled manner that they’ve been warned to be careful with their expectations.
That’s certainly also a way to participate in a thread on a public forum.
You’re talking about it like it’s something bad. I’ve seen many people going from “it’s so cool!” to “I hope the narrative team will be fired” over years. Nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic. Just sometimes hope fails.
It is. Commenting on each other ideas, challenging arguments, seeking for cooperation - all those and many other things possible on public platform where anybody can join at any moment.
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I think I can speak for everyone when I say I’m exhausted and frustrated and I just want it to be over, one way or another.
Maybe that’s the secret. We all hate the story so much that when it finally ends, neither party involved cares about the outcome anymore. 
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I’m a little confused as to what it refers to. If it’s the earlier exchange, then I’ll repeat that I respect people’s different opinions – regardless of what they are – but I don’t appreciate attempts to contort what I have written in an effort to present it as being false, and especially not on a false premise.
Sure. But what you did was to threaten me with faux authority by passing along a warning that I should be careful with my expectations.
What’s implied in that warning of yours? What if I choose not to heed it? You present yourself as an authority here, but you have no authority. If you have a problem with my posts and believe they violate the Forum Code of Conduct, then you can report them as such. But besides that, then you don’t get to make veiled threats to me about how I should post.
This is terribly off-topic, but there you go. 
I mean that I saw people who were enthusiastic about the story, who were later disappointed. And then - saw your comment and added something along the lines of “sure, be optimistic if you want, but, high hopes might have sad follow ups”. I am not sure there is something bad in suggestions to not expect much.
At worst I can post an odd gif on that forum, what kind of threat would that be?
The intention was to add context for why there is a general scepticism around the story. If you like it - cool. But there is also a possibility of hypothetical players buying blizz story on hype, and being let down after. I’ve seen plently of ghost guilds already who were hyped at the beginning, and are merging around the patch release.
All there is was explicit. Might be double meaning, but not intentionally.
You are free to do so.
I’m a random person walking nearby with 
Not really. Feel free to join the story discussions if you have any enthusiasm left for the story.
I would offer some hugs, but mine are fel-infused. There might be no soul left after.
I mean, going against personalities is not all that productive IMO. I try to distinguish what people do from who they are.
Different people take different approaches and it’s fine. Just hopefully does not lead to grudges and all of that.
But it’s just my topic opinion on the topic.
There are not that many discussions overall for quite some time. So, occasional offtop is not that bad.
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I see. I’ll scratch it up as a misunderstanding then.
I’m not sure if it’s a warning I’ll heed though. Or rather, I know it’s not.
I think a great part of what’s enjoyable about Warcraft story and lore is that you engulf yourself in the speculation and theorize what might happen and for what reasons and how cool something could be.
Intentionally dampening that enthusiasm and enjoyment just to reduce the potential backlash from disappointment seems counterintuitive to the goal of having fun and enjoying yourself in the moment.
If I see this cinematic and note that it looks like Blizzard are foreshadowing a lot of things about Elune, then I’m absolutely going to dive right into my own thoughts and speculation about all the cool and awesome story possibilities that can lead to – because that is fun and enjoyable and exciting!
What I’m absolutely not going to do, is to sit down and lawyer-proof a line of reasoning that establishes why Blizzard are likely to screw the story up, how they’re not planning for anything and don’t know what they’re doing, and why it would be best if I just canceled my subscription right away – because better safe than sorry, right?
And I am painstakingly aware that the forum is filled with naysayers, doomsayers, complainers, and crybabies, who litter the place like sand on a beach, and who all stand in line to sell you a 10-step program to become just like them!
But I think I’m going to pass on all of that, because it doesn’t really look like their approach leads to fun and enjoyment with the game’s story.
So to iterate my initial thoughts on the cinematic, then it looks like a lot of foreshadowing to me, and I will choose to optimistically ride the hype-train to an Emerald Dream expansion with Elune and Tyrande and Nature and Night Elves, because all of that gets me really excited. And if none of it happens, then I’ll enjoy the process of being surprised by events I didn’t foresee and getting new information to speculate about. That’s worked out wonderfully for me the past 17 years.
So whilst I appreciate the warning and the advice and suggestion, then no one has yet to sell me an argument that puts me in a better position about the story than where I already am. The goal is to enjoy it and have a positive outlook on it. You’re all just selling doom & gloom. Not interested. 
I mean I would give that to blizz having reasons of their own like Malfurion being tied to dream. So much so he was even afraid to venture in to the nightmare etc.
Given in lore the army of the blackmoon are made up of worgens some ancients and elves who had their eyes changed as they fought beneath the blackmoon. Honestly if it means nothing than that is a huge loss on blizzard’s side. 
Tyrande was willing to self- destruct to take out Sylvanas. By stopping Tyrande, the goddess saved her champion. Tyrande still has a part to play in her plan, whatever it is.
Do not worry about the banshee getting away again. Her time will come soon. Whether she meets her true death, or is sent to Revedreth for atonement, she will pay for her crimes. One way or another, the hand of justice will prevail.
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I highly doubt that’s the reason tbh.
I am absolutely sure that if Elune wanted Sylvanas dead she would’ve finished the job and had no hesitation sacrificing Tyrande in the process.
I don’t think Sylvanas mentioned “Elune’s bargain” for no reason. Elune is playing her own games.
People tend to think about her as a good goddess and I don’t think there is such a thing in the Warcraft universe. They’re all a bunch of selfish pricks who will follow their personal interests and if the mortals fall in line with that interest, well, lucky them.
Sylvanas was right about this one thing at least.
Yes, because just a second ago Tyrande have offered a trade, her life for Sylvanas.
Blizzard specially highlighted that Elune cancels that bargain, and takes away powers.
I think we can also assume the whole night warrior ritual as a “bargain” but thats me. It more feels like one. Offering to be Elune’s wrath in return of power etc.
Just came to think of it, if Elune can “cancel” her “selection” of Night Warrior, what was the bloody point going around looking for Night Warriors in the first place to “save Tyrande” before she was consume by what every previous Night Warriors said was an all consuming thing? If Elune can “withdraw” her powers willy nilly to “save her champion” then why did all the previous “Night warriors” get consume by the transformation? Why are we running around like crazy to “save Tyrande”? Elune seems to have to it all cowered.
I might have missed a few things here but the entire “Night warrior” seems like an EXTREMELY weak plot device, not established what so ever and just thrown into the mix because it sounds cools. There’s supposedly many other “Night warriors” previously, yet there is absolutely no supporting lore for it, other than the retconned pile of mess that came with Chronicles. It would be super convenient having that Night Warrior during the Legion invasion in Warcraft 3, but instead we just had to run around trying to find a Horn to wake up the forest so the wisps could stop Archimonde from humping the world tree to death.
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I think she meant the whole Night Warrior deal, it would fall more in line with Sylvanas’ lines in all the cinematics.
What I understand from this is that she highlighted to Tyrande that gods make and break deals as it suits them so they cannot be trusted.
I mean I could, of course, look too much into it but that’s what sounds like to me.
Yes, I don’t think Sylvanas heard Tyrande’s whispers to Elune when she was flying away.
It was more of a “your god forsake you once again, therefore she doesn’t really care about what you want”.
Now Sylvanas could absolutely be wrong and Elune be this goodie gal, but we don’t have enough evidence to support that theory imo.
I mean it could be just a retconned mess (it probably is) or it could be that Elune is up to something this time and is playing her own games.
One thing is for sure. Elune did not save her people at Teldrassil. We don’t know why but we know she let them burn. She’s more than capable to let innocents suffer. I doubt that she took the powers away from Tyrande just because “my champion”.
Elune would sacrifice anyone if she wanted Sylvanas dead. She doesn’t. She didn’t stop her at Teldrassil and she doesn’t look like she wants to stop her now.
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And right after that Tyrande got the power boost. So likely there is something else related to Elune, or maybe even An’she myth.
The game can’t even decide what that is. There is like 3 versions of how to interpret the thing. Sometimes Tyrande talks about wrath of Elune, then about her own, later it will offer a 3rd interpretation.
The same could be said about the entire plot line, and arguably, about the way Danuser sees the job of quest design, etc. - to be a guessing game that keeps people busy and pay sub fee in the process.
Stories are incoherent and contradicting older lore. The only suggestion I can give - otherwise events won’t happen.
If the story will indeed go in the “genocide is good direction” with them being dead for some purpose in the Shadowlands or whatever, I expect a big backlash.
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Depends how it’s executed and how big the stakes are.
I’m not going to try to make too much sense of this now but I know for sure and they’ve been literally bashing our heads with this for ages now. Gods, of any kind, are not to be trusted. I don’t trust Elune either.
The latest cinematic is not about Sylvanas vs Tyrande, it’s about Zovaal vs Elune.
Not entirely sure why they had to bring Elune into the whole thing anyway, she has always been a “deity” or something the Night elves worshipped , but never been an “active” participate in the events. One could wonder if Elune was there, why she haven’t done anything in the past events that happened to the night elves. The War of the Ancient, the Legion invasion in Warcraft 3, burning of Teldrasil etc.
I think that the mess with Elune we’re inn now, is simply because they retconned for what is cool in Shadowlands. They didn’t consider the ramification or impact of their actions upon the entire narrative of the Warcraft lore.
To me, it doesn’t seem like they care about the Warcraft story at all, they just work out a framework that fits with the narrative of that expansion, and don’t care if it connects or work with the rest of the established lore. That’s how they’ve gone through a few expansions now, actually from Mists time, that’s when the mess really started to pile up.
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As usual in WoW? Lot of mysteries and running away from the conclusion.
It would be in line with how they twisted the draenei-naaru story since Legion. There was a US forum thread suggesting that the end goal might be to have the realm with no magic at all. Age of mortals on steroids.
Arguably the last cinematic is a mix of “rule of cool” with “how do we add more mysteries so that people will be too busy to notice lack of resolving most story lines”.
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Yes, this whole “cosmic war” concept stinks. They’ve been constantly raising the stakes higher and higher and moving further away from mortal issues until we reached ridiculous levels.
The biggest thing I hate about BFA is that they messed up the identity of our races. You have Elune one hand, the pillar of hope and the ancient religion of Night Elves, now an active agent in the plot, who stands back and lets her people die and plays cosmic games with her “family” in the realm of death.
On the other hand you have the Forsaken who worship Sylvanas, have an established culture and identity (like it or not that’s what their culture was pre-BFA) and you villain bat their leader into oblivion for the sake of drama and shock.
Then you have Anduin, arguably a pure and kind person forced into the dirtiest stuff and turned into a puppet by the gods because, well, “there must always be a LK, or something”.
A lot of things I hate about this storyline. It left many of us, fans of the franchise, feeling lost and fighting some sort of identity crisis, not being able to identity ourselves with pretty much anything happening at this point.
Not only that, but we have absolutely 0 choices but to follow around some super empowered entities, who will outplay us anyway (cuz we dumb mortals amirite) and pretend to play the big games with our magic sticks.
Bleh.
Well, you’re not wrong. But we can hope, at least, that something will make sense in the end.
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Indeed, we’re not longer “heroes” in the story, we’re bystanders doing the legwork so the actual heroes get to do stuff. And they’re just ramping up the power level of those heroes to an idiotic level. Tyrande and Syvlanas are at this point on par with demigods in terms of power level, which means they’re impossible for us to deal with so there have to be some other super duper awesome power to content with them.
I just don’t feel the story any more. It’s such a mess at this point, it’s no point trying to get into it. Anduin will be the goodie 2 shoes once more, Sylvanas will betray the Jailer at some point and Tyrande will either get her revenge or get some revelation that “saves” her from the path she’s on. It’s terrible, and it will only continue this way since they have incompetent writers at Blizzard that don’t know how to write a story without adding flare and anime super powers to the mix.
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-THAT- exactly…I mean look at the lore. Back in the days dragons and titan forged were intimidating and ancient creatures, things that people almost worshipped, mysterious and advanced creatures elevated by the “gods”.
Do any of you remember the excitement in wotlk and vanilla when you first entered Uldaman and Uldum. How exciting it was seeing Brann explore this ancient stuff. How myhtical it felt?
Or how we first fought off an old god not our own but a chained weakened version of it still imprisoned WITH ALL titanic watchers aid?
Hell in lore elves used to literally KNEEL in front of dragons out of pure majesty…
Now? Each “god” is just another cosmic “force” Titans used to be these collasal universe “gods” now it is like: OH YEAH THEY ARE JUST A PANTEHON OF ORDER WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME THING BUT DEATH VERSION BUT IT IS CALLED ETERNALS?!
It doesn’t feel unique…Same goes for Loas, mysterious spirits…Now it’s just…They are all wildgods.
Titanic watchers used to be god level compared to players (powerlevel wise). In Legion (warrior campaign) you literally beat a fel corrupted Hodir before smacking some sense in to it so he can be YOUR followers…
List goes on and on and on. You can’t just keep amping up power levels, and explaining every bit of the lore makes it dull. Expending the lore is all fine, but not everything has to be explained. In the past forces of magic were mysterious, twisting nether was a dark and a scary place…Now we have space ships which jumps around, blue dragons who makes cheesy jokes to hang around eating cakes and nether is a joke.
Fel is no longer this scary energyt but just Disorder, literal opposite of order, it doesn’t make it special.
My point is back then there were unknown, there were beings that were above us. Things that we couldn’t compete with and things that were above us.
When you are on par or at the same stage as the literal gods, and when killing a dragon is a mere side quest, and where you get to chit chat with death gods, while knowing every boring bit about them, it really takes away the fun.
It feels like starting a dnd campaign as a level 20 epic character with no room for growth, mystery, danger or fun.
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