Apparently the answer is in some ptr quest text from the Winter Queen
Told ya.
If that is indeed true, then the last bastion of mystery has fallen. Like, I don’t even care if it is satisfactory or not (spoiler, it isn’t), but it is besides the point. Old Warcraft Mythos is finally dead and replaced by this whole cosmic spaghetti aberration they are pushing narratively these days, where every sense of wonder is prompty crushed and spoonfed to us because god forbid anything is left to the imagination in a bloody fantasy setting.
At this point, I am thankful that classic is as readily available as it is. At least there I can return to a time when Azeroth was full of wonder and mystery, while regarding everything that happened later as non-canon or AU or whatever.
RIP Elune.
Yeah, like everyone, I expected this day would come sooner rather than later, but, boy am I salty and dissapointed as hell now that it has begun happening.
RIP Elune.
Yet another punch to Night Elves.
Blizzard told that Elune is one true goddess of the Azeroth. But now she is just one of the Titans level. Maybe Eonar is even stronger and have more powers on nature. Night Elves should worship to Eonar instead.
Only question if Ysera (dragon of Nature powers) was created by Elune, Naaru (creatures of the Light) were created by the Elune, and Night Warriors (powers of the Void) were given by the Elune, then on which pantheon this Titan really lives?
P.S full Tyrande questline where this info about the Elune have revealed (many other interesting facts there):
Interesting what kind of purpose of the Night Elves souls they talk about. Did Elune really abounded Night Elves on Teldrassil on purpose?
Regardless of how underwhelming it is for the story to simply tear open every mystery in such a bland fashion, I don’t understand stuff like:
Why should Elune be this being above everything else?
We’ve already been interacting with Titans and Old Gods. Did people really expect Elune to be above all else if/when Blizzard inevitably turned their gaze towards her?
Back in BC, there were hints that she was but a Naaru btw.
This + it is wrong to think that there’s no point worshipping an entity if it’s not the strongest being in creation. Who cares ? Quilboars worship Aggamagan even though he was just an ancient among many others, because he’s their ancestor. Trolls worship loa, some of whom are weak, because they have history and special ties with them, etc etc. What matters is the emotional and historical fabric behind the worship
Night Elves back then:
Children’s of the starts, elder immortal race that was chosen by a real existing god. God that takes the souls of their people to the starts, after they die.
Night Elves now:
Some small trolls tribe that accidentally mutated by the Titans blood. They worship another Titan from different pantheon. That race wasn’t chosen by the gods, and no one takes their souls to the starts…
That makes Asharas Empire the best thing that have happened to the Night Elves, and that makes Tyrande with her Elune worship and Malfurion as total losers. All their believes are lie.
Knowing the truth Night Elves should join Nightborne, and worship only Arcane from now one. There is no more reason for Kaldorei to exist as Kaldorei. That type of Night Elves have lost their idea and a purpose.
Bravo Blizzard…
Exactly.
All this fixation to make Elune be the Uber being in some Saiyan power tier list, is something I never understood.
There are creeds that revere all sort of beings, and in no way does that hamper their themes or story.
Edit: Nvm
It’s the fixation over the power fantasy trope, and the old fashioned “My dad can beat your dad” mindset.
Just like in real live:
Humans a few hundred years ago: Chosen by god to rule the world, the Planet at the center of the universe, above animals and all else in the cosmos.
Humans now: Mutated apes on one planet under billions and god is dead.
We learn new things and adjust our worldview accordingly.
Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree that explaining every inch of mythos and exposing the cosmic realities behind it is a TERRIBLE idea. It drains fantasy of its blood and soul, and it more or less implies the death of cultures and religions. I wish Elune had been kept a mystery, as I wish Loa had been kept a mystery.
Now the thing is, as others have said, the bigger the exceptionalism, the crueler the disillusionment. Elune is/was a real god, yes, but so is/was EVERY god in the Warcraft universe. I don’t know of a single religion that has not been proved right to some extent. Shadowlands might have retconned them and implied that some interpretations were wrong, but every single worshipped force is real, from Elune, to the Ancients, to the Loa, to the natural elements, to the Old Gods, to dead heroes, to anything really.
If the Night Elves thought they were the chosen ones above all other peoples on Azeroth, well… joke’s on em ? The experience might humble them. I’d say they should look up to Quilboars on this one, they could learn a thing or two !
EDIT : Also, Elune has not suddenly stopped being a goddess because we kinda know who she is. “Goddess/god” is not a cosmic status, it’s not a race, it just means that the depicted being is at the centre of a worship system. So of course Elune is still a goddess.
If she did, then that would be disgusting because a very large part of the Night Elf souls was destroyed in the maw.
Also, Tyrande loses her Night Warrior powers without achieving anything and Elune isn’t even a goddess. Awful.
Well, she managed to temporally kill Nathanos.
When he was at low hp… in Darkshore she and Malfurion lost
Just read this and I’m not sure what to say. Titans are literally world souls. Like, they’re everything. They are worlds, they shape worlds, they may destroy worlds at times. They can’t even directly interact with those worlds because if they did they would most likely tear them apart. How powerful did you think Elune was, exactly ? Being close to “Titans level” is the absolute very best you could have imagined.
How do you make “they lost” out of “they managed to kill a very valuable asset but Nathanos escaped”?
If they lost they would be dead.
Given the way the story progresses, I think if there is a point in worshipping anything, the devs think that would be Anduin.
Well, what happened at Teldrassil should be washed somehow. Otherwise Anduin and another orc might be sad.
Blizz claimed that she is “one of true deities”, distancing her from the Pantheon (and by extension, since it turned out that there are pantheons of each cosmo force - from all of them), both in-game and out of it (wow magazine; wow encyclopedia), this story development is pretty much a continuation of the whole “let’s pick a thing we like, and ignore the rest” kind of story-telling that you might’ve spotted in what happened (and will happen) to Sylvanas, Yrel, and will go on and on, since at this point I can’t think of it being anything other than the symptom of the current writing appoach.
Approach that seems to “if the story is good, it does not matter if it does not fully fit in canon”. Without specifying who’s the target audience to decide what is “cool”. Or if there is a common take of the user base about a topic, etc.
There were hints that her magic might be related to naaru, like in the Night of the Dragon book. She might somewhat be.
If you take the original story take on believes in the game, I would agree with you. But with the current, I think that the story is on the trajectory of “mortals don’t need those magics anyway, they all suck given the opportunity, and the mortals are awesome”.
It’s just devalues what was there. And will continue on. By replacing what was there. By removing 1 by 1 reasons to look at it as anything other than archaic tradition. By praising selected few characters and viewpoints, and sacrificing all the rest for it.
The problem is, if the devs are ok with atlering the story interpretation whenever it fit the narrative they want to have, there will be nothing “historical” for the players.
Nope. It’s called the false advertisement, when the devs promote one thing, only to not follow up on the premise of what they sold.
Some games that did such “plot twist” (say, Shadow Warrior remake, or Spec Ops) are sometimes praised, even if a little. But that made their sales and perseption abyssmal for some time.
If placing one thing as a promo, but backpedal inside, is the approach that should be supported - everyone will decide for themselves. IMO such take validates what was happening to Sylvanas, because following up and building what Sylvanas was in warcraft 3 is not relevant apparently.
Ret-cons are ret-cons. Whether or not such approach to story telling is worth of financial support - every “wallet” will decide personally.
So, if the forsaken thought that Sylvanas was actually having a slightest hint at caring about them, jokes on them I suppose.
Because the approach “take one trait / idea in the story, and push it no matter the damage to the rest” is kind of identical, even if people will try to pretend there is any difference in the underlying concept.
The whole Night Warrior story is an empty plot device which was one of the worst handling in the game IMO.
Seemingly (after looking at the Seat of the Pantheon) they can be as big or small as needed, and can make devices, that have very tiny details.
It’s about the tone of the story. The forsaken succeded in raising night elves, night elves abandoned their brethren, in-game cinematic was delayed till the Shadowlands pre-patch even it was rather “meh” in quality. It makes the event feel empty regardless of how it is described on paper.
gl hf
To be honest I haven’t actually seen any reveal on Elune’s powerlevel. From what I gather from that questline, Elune is probably more powerful than the Winter Queen, at least. So just because they’re revealed to be sisters doesn’t mean that they’re equally powerful (that’s not true in real life either).
I also haven’t seen anything about her “role”, but I may have missed that, of course.
If one of the races in a fantasy universe is basically depicted as beautiful, immortal, wise, perfect in every way and worshipping the one true god i think it’s good for the story to cut them down the the level of the rest.
And as seen in the reaction to every little thing that doesn’t depict nightelves as perfect demigods the superiority complex is very much there in players that choose this race.
Seeing a win without complete annihilation of the enemy as a loss etc.
I think, as much as the burning of Teldrassil was a bad decision on Blizz’s part, the Nightelves needed a humbling moment in their story, until Teldrassil they were basically perfect, immortal demigods.
It should have been done in a different way (overreaching and sealing their own demise would have been fitting imo, because the race did it twice already)
Night elves fans can overeact so much.
But that is exactly what has been happening ever since WC 3.
This is simply not true (and has never been, actually).
I agree that certain people definitely overreact EVERY time something happens, but in truth the Night elves really have taken a beating quite often.