Probably think that the Alliance are getting what they deserve.
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A whole new horror is about to be unleashed on duskwood
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The Worgen and Vulpera Pack ERPers will battle it out over who gets to ERP in the night well, leaving Serious Worgen and Vulpera RPers free to do what they want.
The ultimate plan to kill two birds with one stone.
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With the PTR servers (finally) going online, thereâs a bunch of diary entries from Wrathion that provide some pretty interesting stuff:
As I suspected, little of what the Shenâdralar collected in their archives survived their flight from Eldreâthalas. Still, there was some knowledge to be gleaned from the tomes they were forced to leave behind as they escaped the Hordeâs aggression. References to the Old Gods are vague and oblique, existing only as archaeological footnotes from a time before the Sundering. Even the Shenâdralar, adept in the arcane arts as they were, could not completely unravel the intricacies of the Black Empireâs dark magic. Yet a few of them did dabble in the Void, and the lessons they learned grant me hope that NâZothâs own power can be wielded against him. Even in its abandoned state, the libraryâs meticulous organization truly impressed me. If only more of it had remained intact. Such an extensive loss of wisdom is lamentable. The Shenâdralar toiled ceaselessly to collect the librams that lined their bookshelves, only for the lionâs share of it to be consumed by the flames of war.
But such is the nature of warfare, is it not? Seldom does it accomplish the intentions of its architects, and never without leaving immeasurable devastation in its wake⌠especially when the Horde and the Alliance are the forces in conflict. Can one ultimately say that victory is worth the price that must be paid to achieve it? Perhaps it is, in some cases. But the verdict is not as easily reached as I once thought.
For all the time I have spent in Pandaria, only recently did I make acquaintance with the Lorewalkers. The sheer volume of knowledge to be found within their scrolls was marvelous to behold. Lorewalker Cho taught me much about the legends of the Black Empire. He can be⌠shall we say⌠long-winded at times, but the wisdom he can impart upon those with the patience to listen is valuable indeed. The Shado-Pan, in contrast, have little time for conversations not directly related to the defense of the pandaren. Their Omnia scholars have accumulated centuries of practical expertise in combatting the dark powers of the sha without succumbing to their influence. Given that the sha originated from the essence of YâShaarj, the underlying principles of their techniques could prove effective in resisting the whispers of the Old Gods.
I must admit, I felt a certain kinship with the Shado-Pan that I did not anticipate. The pandaren do not maintain a standing army, and so the Shado-Pan serve as their sole defense against both the mantid and the sha. Though they have trained themselves to seal away their emotions, there is an air of solitude about them that I recognize all too well. It is no easy task to stand alone against the darkness so that others may bask in the light. But someone must always make that stand. And they can never allow themselves to falter.
Few mysteries intrigue me more than the lost knowledge and technology left behind by the titans. The zeal with which I pursued their secrets in the past may have bordered on excess, but the quest in and of itself is one that must be continued. I know for certain that the Forge of Origination is the key to dealing the Old Gods their ultimate defeat, though I have not yet been able to discern the exact manner in which it is meant to be used. My hope was that the Vault of Archavon would hold the answers I seek. Unfortunately, though the Vault contained much material for me to study, the giants who make it their home were⌠less than cordial to me upon my arrival. I cannot say I blame them, given their previous encounters with âvisitorsâ from the Alliance and the Horde.
It is strange to think on how those events predate my own hatching. While I plumb the depths of forgotten lore from eons past, others have lived through crises I will only ever know from historical accounts. There must be someone on Azeroth who possesses the understanding I require, and perhaps my next course of action should be to seek them out. $B$BA pity the former Aspects are so reluctant to trust me. Even after all my research, their familiarity with the titansâ handiwork surely eclipses my own. But given the troubled history of my dragonflight⌠of Deathwing, Onyxia, Nefarian⌠and myself⌠I cannot say I blame them, either.
It is impossible to set eyes upon Karazhan without reflecting on the dark saga of its master. As befitting his title, the Last Guardian of Tirisfal had amassed a vast collection of writings and artifacts that dwarfs even that of the Kirin Tor. The insight I gained from the towerâs library allowed me to reach a significant milestone: I have concocted a tonic that, when imbibed, will cleanse a minor amount of the Old Godsâ corruption and silence their whispers. Such is merely the first step on the path to defeating them once and for all, but it warrants celebration, nonetheless.
Though I knew there were valuable lessons to learn in Karazhan, I did not anticipate that some of them would emerge from my conversations with Medivhâs lingering spirit. He recounted his struggles under Sargerasâs influence as the dark titan twisted his soul from within, and I was left to wonder if similar thoughts plagued Neltharion as he descended into madness himself. But Medivh also spoke of his spiritâs return to the mortal realm, and how it guided Azerothâs champions in the fight against the very forces that once corrupted him. He said something on which I ruminate even now: âI can never change the actions of my past,â he told me, "but I can forge a new legacy to leave behind.
A new legacy. In the end, perhaps that is what I am truly after. A way to make amends for my fatherâs failings⌠as well as my own. A legacy worthy of the black dragonflightâs original sacred charge: the defense of Azeroth. The end of the Old Gods. I do hope these pages have proven to be of use to you, $n. I would hate to think my agents wasted their time delivering them to you as instructed. Rest assured that when the time is right, you will have my aid in the fight against NâZoth. In the true battle for Azeroth. Oh, and one last request: Burn this journal. It is time my actions speak for me.
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SoâŚno mention of why he didnât turn up in Legion.
Or Khadgar, weirdly, since theyâre both hanging out at Karazhan. Maybe heâs got a separate journal about his new boyfriend.
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My eyes flash a powerful shade of red
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Wasnât Medivh confirmed alive during the Return to Karazhan Questline/dungeons in Legion?
Also damn the Horde for destroying the Shenâdralarâs library! Also where is Khadgar in Karazhan? Wrathion somehow has free access? I hope khadgar is death! D:
Burning the caravans of people supplying weapons to your enemies = justification for chemical warfare against said people and essentially subjecting their lands to radiation poisoning?
Yeah, if the Vulpera ever adopt such a stance thatâs some wonky writing right there.
Itâs fine just to have them join the Horde because the Horde did them a solid, whilst showing some kind of disapproval over blight. Most of the Horde is headed in that direction anyway.
At least when itâs done we can be spared the current brand of âyesssss poison them and resurrect their shambling corpsesâ for honour that is somehow being ridiculously maintained. Collective memory erasure since Northend going down in Orgrimmar big time.
Tbh the Horde has almost more reasons to dislike other races of the Horde than the races of the Alliance.
As of now, most of the old hatreds seem something petty, especially considering the veterans from the first two wars have nearly retired (or donât care about the Alliance at all, like Saurfang).
If they actually get rid of the two factions, I wonât mind.
Objectively yeah, it would be dodgy if they start cackling menacingly at alliance citizens melting as blight is being dropped on them.
But alternativelyâŚ
Youâre a vulpera whose first interaction with Horde / Alliance is a bunch of knights in steel armor carrying a flammenwerfer on their backs, they just approach your caravan, they round you up and burn all your azerothly belongings. Then, they shout something in a language you might not comprehend, you could think to yourself, theyâre going to kill you there and then.
But as luck would have it, a forsaken troupe stumbles upon the scene, and kills the alliance, recruits you to join their cause.
Some weeks later, youâre being told that the same forsaken are suddenly bad because theyâre killing alliance who nearly killed you + friends, family, in potentially questionable ways.
How much empathy would you have for those who want you dead?
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Yes. He flew off into the Nether. His spirit/fragments are also around though (you fight one, even).
Once again, youâre looking at it with the Knowledge WE know, but they werenât there for northrend or any of the other things that happened. All they would have seen is the Alliance coming in and burning their homes with DARK MAGIC for reason they didnât understand.
If someone on your side, who saved your people, came and killed the people who were trying to kill you with a even harsher method than the one you attackers were using, I donât think you would be questioning if it was right or wrong, youâd probably be celebrating at the fact that you arenât going to die today.
You also act like the Vulpera are a âGoodâ race, but theyâve fought dirty before, theyâve used Goblin tech, Kiro even let Blood beasts Loose on a bunch of people.
They are hardy survivors, if it means they get to go home at the end of the day alive, I donât think it would be an issue.
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Donât even need to read this thread to know that Hordies are mad AF 
that Calia is going to be their Queen 
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Obvious bait is Obvious.
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Firstly, I want to say, nice reply.
Now to reply. I guess it depends on several factors, and some of them are not stuff we know about the Vulpera. One of these factors is belief systems. For example if youâre a race of individuals whom believe life is inherently sacred in some manner, even if some strangers, whom you didnât understand torched your belongings and you feared death at their hands, it doesnât follow that youâd not have an uneasy conscience regarding the death of those people. More particularly, how your conscience would hold in a situation where your saviours make it clear they want to kill these individuals and they want your help in doing so, be it directly or by you transporting weapons to be used to kill them. You may owe them a debt of gratitude, but would that invalidate your philosophical beliefs? Not likely. Depends how strongly we hold them.
Now we donât know enough about the Vulpera to infer how they view life generally speaking. Particularly when weighed against people who destroy their material goods. We do know some of them (Nisha) are pretty bloodthirsty when it comes to getting back at people who have wronged them (Sethrak) but that is regarding a slightly different situation, where the Sethrak were enslaving the Vulpera.
Her stance at least tells me the Vulpera arenât fond of slavery, so the question of how theyâd feel on blight use is up to grabs. It at least tells me they have some kind of ethical stance, and it tells me if they somehow knew that the raised corpses were raised against their will, they would have a problem with it, as its essentially bondage. That is relying on information they may never know however.
At the end of the day thereâs more we need to learn about them I suppose. Like what their culture was like pre the whole âfighting for our existenceâ thing. Hopefully weâll learn more. Something about them tells me they wouldnât simply shrug at blight use, but I may be wrong, they may be quite ruthless giving the environment theyâve been thrown into.
Your post made me realise I may have been too hasty in settling on that inference, so again, ta very much for the reply. Hereâs hoping we learn more about the Vulpera in the future. They certainly piqued my interest during my horde levelling experience.
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We do, Itâs a coherent theme throughout Volâdun that the Vulpera live life as a âDo what you have to do to Surviveâ scenario.
Jinjo, if you wanted to have a party in the Dungeon, you should have just asked.
Yeah, its is Different, the Sethrak were enslaving them, the Alliance were killing them
Theyâve been shown to have two beliefs, "Do what it takes to survive. Examples of this are the dialogue NPCs keep saying:
âDonât die out thereâ
âMy kind kills for less, you know.â
âTake care of yourself. No one else will!â
The vulpera also view goods as important because they also believe âeverything has a value/useâ
âRemember, everything has its use.â
âSurvival means being resourceful.â
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Yet another reason for Vulpera to hate the Alliance and their Dark Iron Slavery ways.
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Didnât this stop or is it one of those things up in the air again? Also:
Forsaken hold Human slaves
Orcâs hold slaves; for Gladiatorial fightsâŚ
Trolls hold slaves(except the Darkspears and Zandalari, I think)
Sinâdorei hold/held slaves?(those Gnomes in the tailoring shops were slaves, no?)
Donât Goblins effectively have (salary-)slaves to?
Ofcourse both races âenslavedâ a village of Pandaren to!
Not sure, but both Horde and Alliance(if the Dark Irons still hold slaves) hold slaves apparently? Doesnât matter if its legal or illegal, both do it D:
Weâve got no reason to believe it stopped. It was still active during cataclysm under Moira, soâŚ
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Both factions practice slavery and thusly the Vulpera fit in neither.
big brain take