Stalking, Harassment and how WoW mechanics help it

im curious only about 1 thing - what have you done to this person so they stalk so much ,

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Treated them too well. Up to the point of them thinking that relationship is an option. Whilst in truth, it was not.

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Wrong, the database is more accessible than it ever was. Even inspect has become more intrusive as you get talents and more these days.

It would take next to nothing to add an opt in button to exclude nebby people on armoury and inspect.

I’m surprised Bnet hasn’t been exploited more to be honest.

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Someone throws a pumpkin on your head and thats an evidence compilation?

Jesus Christ.

I don’t doubt stalking and harassment happen and it should be taken seriously but if you’re going to make a dossier thats to be taken seriously then I’m not sure a 2 minute video of someone throwing a pumpkin on you on 3 separate occasions has any impact whatsoever.

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On its own, it looks unimpressive.
But when context is given (image compilation), it may look different.

I only recently have started to record it, as previously it was just screenshots.

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Please take a look at the other evidence material as well. As said above, alone these things do not really add up to anything.

But when attached to the broader pictures, several dots suddenly become a pattern.

She has made threads before about this issue and just a few days ago the said stalker was on he forums trying to make people turn on her.

I am just a fellow forumgoer, but I can vouch that it is not a minor thing that is happening.

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It sounds like you made the right call not going out with them.

If they behave this way in a game, I dread to think how badly they would handle a real life relationship, when they cannot respect another persons space and right to make choices they disagree with.

The first one seems pretty obvious. The only exception might be for streamers who may want followers and could have an opt out.

Guild Wars 2 has some kind of watching list, but you can see who is watching you back. So it isn’t a one way thing, but it did feel a bit strange as a new player.

That sounds useful, not sure if a player with this on could still allow individual permissions to each addon they download them, to enable some limited addon use (other than player viewing ones ofc)

A few of the forum responses feel a bit victim blaming to me, it is easy to dismiss and downplay another persons experience, but when something bad continues for a long time it stacks, and gets ‘tiresome’ at best.

Which is what her stalker is aiming for, revenge for hurt feelings and an attempt to control. If they cannot get to their main target, they go for anyone near them, rather than moving on, being an adult and getting a life.

I am not sure if /ignore blocks one character or the whole account, but it should block the whole account.

I hope you manage to get some help with this and both you and your stalker get out of this unhealthy loop and move on.

It’s not that deep my dude.

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I had the same awareness back then and it has been a constant pain to see so much neglect, including/especially in professional circles, allowing stuff to become normal that used to be considered scandalous.
(A spinoff topic of that is password security where people have been taught cringy-bad stuff as safe, even forced do do it. - xkcd eventually made a comic about it.)

Let’s also remember how the battle.bet launcher keeps nagging you every now and then whether you want to appear online and will only allow you to say no for a limited period. Kinda implies there is a business investment in having you be reachable in that system.

As for how the system actually plays into the hands of rotten people, I remember what made me unsub eventually, how people votekicked me from an LFD group I had just entered literally a moment ago, for rotten reasons, and I got a deserter debuff for that.
Eventually I came back only on gold time, to check out DF, and I think I’ve seen enough of it now.

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You also need to edit out the URLs which is exposing all that personal data.

A two way connection would seem the most sensible, similar to how bnet friend requests currently works. Someone can send a request but you don’t appear on each other’s lists until both sides have accepted.

I’m not sure why it needs to show someone’s current team, certainly wouldn’t be a great loss if this info was omitted from the armory. I do like that I can see people’s pet (or mount) collections, especially when buying gifts.

This one I don’t agree with. All the third party sites work with API, any player can opt out. It is better that it works as an opt out than an opt in.

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Why is that better though? Im sorry but most people don’t even know about these sites even. Check-pvp for example isn’t common knowledge exactly… At least not yet.

Most people victim to this aren’t even aware of half the sites all their characters are available on trough API. Isn’t it better that those interested in these things OPT in for them instead?

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The norm is to share, not to block. The norm is that your pixel data isn’t important. The norm is that you want to be able to use sites without having to jump through hoops. Most people are not stalked or harassed. Most people can just ignore someone they don’t want to interact with and that’s the end of it. Being able to opt out of things as a choice is great, there are going to be those that want to hide, or those that have a reason to hide but on the whole most don’t. I’m all for people having options ofc. We have some who are so keen to hide who they are that they post on Classic Characters. There is no way to track them.

I have never hidden any of my game data. I can be looked up on wowprogress, raider io etc. All my chars are linked to my main. Even my battle net can be seen, but no one can add me to their friends list unless I accept them. I don’t accept strangers.

Check PVP is well known on the forums and linked fairly regularly. Check PvP very much relies on you knowing the characters to look up. I have 60 characters on my account but only four are linked on check pvp.

Compare that to my profile on wowprogress

I’m not immune from bad behaviour ofc. I have had to block people who come from the forums or elsewhere to message me in game or send me in game mail. Only one has ever tried to circumvent my block and Blizzard were happy to deal with them. That put an end to it.

However, most of my interactions with randoms in game are pleasant. My main is far more recognisable but all my alts are in my Bank guild Puny Inc.

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A simple option on your login to Battle.net with “We’ve updated how your data is handled” with toggle options of what you want or dont want to be shared, should be a middle-ground option here.

You decide wether to opt in or out.

I am glad (truly) that your experience is good. But its good until it suddenly isnt.
Someone whom youve crossed a path, can start track all your alts. Contact your guild mates. And so forth.

While roleplay is a small niche in comparison to the rest of the player base, such stalking can leave a harder impact all in all.

I started to share a small guide how to turn api data share in my trp3 profile and plenty of people whispered me, thanking for this info, as they were entirely unaware about it.

Thats the issue.

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A notice that you are opted in and should you wish to opt out and how this will affect how well third party sites work would be beneficial I agree. There is nothing wrong with more awareness.

Harassment is never fun, I’ve dealt with it in game and IRL. I even had to get the police involved for the IRL stuff. I hope you can get the issues resolved, they sound obsessed.

It is best not to interact, not give them any time at all. Just instantly block/ignore, don’t even bother to read what they write. Report them on all platforms that they are using to contact you. Attention and a reaction is what they are after.

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I just want to say that I don’t disagree with what your saying… But obviously the first thing anyone dealing with this does. Is to put their stalkers and all on ignore. All their alts and everything and all…

But when they can’t reach you personally. They come for your friends and those around you. Start contacting them and share personal information and try to turn those around you against you and isolate you from everyone around you.

And when that happens what do you do? Well first you now how to explain your self and the entire situation to all of your friends. But if that doesn’t work?

Most people just want to start over with a fresh start. Away from their stalkers and all.

But the way WoW is now that is almost near impossible… A dedicated hater/stalker will find out every new character and alt you’ve got. Regardless.

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Why would your friends give them the time of day? Guilds also rarely want to hear about some drama from a third person that is nothing to do with them.

Which is what ive been doing. Ignore, no reaction, etc.
But no matter for how long it lasts, it doesnt stop them from doing the rest.

Including pumpkin throw spam or whispering others or in trade chat, so forth.

I think that the other great feature we could benefit from, is that (which is also what should be fair tbh) is that people who are on ignore, are unable to see what you write.

Its ironic abit that you can put someone on ignore and then whisper them. Or allow them to just sit and read all that you write.

Edit.

What about those new people that youve met or they have approached you? In rp for example it happens all the time.

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Well that depends on whatever the stalkers in question cooks up doesn’t it? They obviously ask them self the same question you just did ‘‘How and why would they listen to me, And how can I make my side convincing’’

Most of the time your friends dismisses it all. But to the victim of this anyway? Having to constantly worry about some gremlin out there trying to :poop: stain you against your friends. Is just a crap feeling to play with.

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I hope that you get the help from Blizzard that you deserve. It must be exhausting to be harassed for that long of a time non stop and people who minimize it on the forums here have clearly never experienced something like that themselves and how exhausting and mentally draining it can be. Wish you the best.

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What if I’m a guild master and I kicked out someone who likes to cause trouble, how am I supposed to check with new recruits to make sure it’s not that guy undercover again?!

I need a legitimate way to find out if the person stalking me right now is also the stalker who stalked me before. Only in this way you are able to reverse the stalker effect so that the negative energy on both sides is positively released. The stalker will feel what it is like to be stalked. He will then gain insight and withdraw. Or he will get really angry and redouble his efforts. In this case, you will start some kind of social war so be sure you have a good network. Then you also have to always stalk his characters and write to his people, make sure that his reputation is undermined and he ends up completely isolated. Then and only then no one will believe him, no matter what he says about you. That is the only way you can find peace again. You have to do everything you can to drive him away before he drives you away.

Do not hesitate. You have to walk over corpses. You have to be everywhere. On all Discord servers, in all Battle-net communities, you need at least one man undercover in all guilds. He won’t sleep, so you can’t either. He throws something at you? Throw it back! You may have to lie and scheme, but any means is fair. If he gives up, don’t trust him. He’s just trying to lull you into a sense of security so he can gain an advantage. Peace is a lie, there is only pie. Through pie you gain strength. Through strength you gain power. Through power you gain victory. Give in to your hatred. And then, one day, you will succeed and he will cry tears in a blood-red hell where skull volcanoes gush blood-red lava into the sky, the sky will be pitch black and it will rain death stars. Yes, only then will you have your peace again. :skull: :fire: YES! BLOOD! :fire: :skull:

Nah, just kidding. Even though I agree that some game functions release more information via default than would be appropriate and are very susceptible to abuse, in the end it is still a person who causes trouble. Maybe a gamemaster can help you if you collect evidence?

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