Stalking, Harassment and how WoW mechanics help it

Hello.
I’d like to bring a general concern & awareness how using out-dated mechanics from the game, stalker(s) are capable to track & harass their victims.

Before I’ll start, I’d like to highlight that this thread as well as me going vocal/public about it, is a result of a long, 5-years on-going stalking issue with no apparent conclusion and lack of adequate reaction from CS. No matter how many people report this person, tickets made, evidence given, all what was achieved - is 2x 1 week suspension, after which, stalker resumed its activities. A full on-story can be read here:

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/%E2%80%9Con-going-harassment%E2%80%9D-or-how-blizzard-don%E2%80%99t-care-about-it-vol-3/444472


Right now, these are 100% established methods that stalker(s) may abuse.

  1. Ability to add anyone to your friendlist without awareness/permission given by the person who’s character has been added.
  2. Usage of battle pets for comparison. If stalker knows one of your characters, they can make an educated guess about your alts and do a battle pet comparison, in order to verify that this character is you.
  3. Blizzard enables API data share by default. This exposes your alt characters on websites such as check-pvp.

There is a fourth method. But it’s inconsistent and hard to predict.
If Person A and Person B add each other on friendlist and then Person B logs on their alt and, let’s say, queue up for LFG. Person A will receive a pop-up that this character name has joined a LFG queue. Even if this alt isn’t in person A friendlist.

What’s more confusing/concerning, is that if Person B removes person A from their friendlist and then repeats the process of queue up on their alt to some LFG, person A will -still- receive a pop-up.

I’ve tested this with a friend. It just works but not always. What sort of logic does this system follows, is a mystery right now.


To those who find this dismissive, un-interesting or “you’re making an elephant out of nothing” sort of arguments. It’s fair to bring them up. But I believe them not to be viable, if you were not stalked/harassed.

In my case, I can make a new character. Join a guild. My GM will receive a message from my stalker who’ll try to put off others from interacting with me. How do they find out my new characters? It’s a mystery to me.

They can sit in rogue stealth, monitor all what I do (I’m a roleplayer so…) and record it. Reach out to people with whom I start to talk. Etc etc.

I’m sure it’ll be one hell of a trip to do something about it in terms of coding. But considering how communication / social system (including guilds) has been left in an abandoned state for years, it only makes things worse. It needs to be updated, overhauled, improved. Why not use FFXIV system where you need person’s permission in order to add them to friendlist? Because with a friendlist, you can track easily whereabouts of your victim.

It’s just… upsetting as a whole.

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Nah, it’s fair. A good post. I hope you’re alright. There’s precious little I can do sadly.

The old friends list is per-character and without an armory or the notifications or anything else it’s pretty easy to get rid of these idiots, their only recourse being to constantly make alts to whisper the same character - but reporting them took care of that. And if nothing else you could take a break on an alt nobody knew about.

Since then all sorts of systems have been built on top leading to a situation where stalking is outrageously easy. I agree, it should be fixed.

We were all a lot more naive about data back in 2004 when WoW was released. But most people have a better awareness of data security and personal identity protection these days.
I do think WoW could implement a Private Mode which would limit Armoury and PVPCheck and similar API data sharing. I doubt it would be a major development effort.

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I find it really amazing that people find it so hard to write /ignore when someone is giving the mattitude online. It really is just that simple.

“But ohmygod ohmygod he can stalk me cuz my battle pets and I have been friendlisted without my conscent and then they called me ugly word!” … so? If they are vulgar, rpeort, ignore, problem solved. Grow up.

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The armory, yes.

For the others mentioned, that already exist:

It’s found under Privacy & communication in account settings on battle.net. It could make it hard to get into m+ groups if you aim to do higher keys and such though if you disable it, because raider.io can’t get any data about what you’ve done and pretty much nobody is going to go on your armory when raider.io exists and gives a better overview.

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have u read the thread the OP linked? The OP isn’t talking about the Stalker writing mean stuff here.

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Yea that has been my experience but its a happy trade off to stop getting unsolicited invites to raids for RMT that I never sought out.

But that is precisely what the OP talking about. No matter how you call it, cyber-stalking cyber-bullying, anything that has CYBER in front of it is 100% you can prevent by just not looking at the screen, figuratively or literally.

People enabling those “bullies” by being curious, wanting to interact, wanting to fix them and caring while all you need to do is /ignore. It takes literally 2 seconds to do.

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HA! Practically half the internet earns its money from collecting user data in secret and selling it around. It’s a 150 billion USD business to collect and sell your information without your knowledge.

And these companies get hacked all the time as well.

True, but that means stopping your WoW session which is really not ideal when we’re all trying to enjoy a good time online.

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Honestly tho, i think that OP problem need a more personal attention from Blizzard and probably a permanent suspension for the harasser, not an overhaul of those systems.

I met a lot of people that acted douchy over the years and being able to dodge them the next time they come around for trolling purposes is something really handy.

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Might as well do both.

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This was the first thing I thought of when I read this post. That is definitely something to turn on.

However, OP has certainly highlighted some area’s which need fixing. And I hope they manage to finally get some resolve to their “problem”.

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It’s more a situation of someone who keeps disrupting everything you do in-game (I’m talking about how the OP described the situation). The OP sayd that s/he is a Roleplayer, and the Stalker keeps disrupting it by either:

  1. Spamming toys or objects to disrupt the Roleplay going on.
  2. Trying to make everyone go against the OP and isolate Him/her

Edit: I’m not so good at explaining things or understand them 100%, so i might be making mistakes talking about the OP.

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As i said, don’t agree with the removal of such systems. This issues is still present because Blizzard punishment systems does not work at all.

Ye i know what the OP situation is. But that is not the only use such systems have. The true problem here lies in Blizzard inability to act.

2 weeks ban over six months is just a slap on the wrist, it’s embarassing as a punishment. This person should have gotten a permaban.

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I’m sorry, i might have misunderstood your comment ._.

100% agree

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I didn’t say we have a perfect understanding of data protection these days, just better.
Twenty years ago an email about a diamond mine from a Nigerian prince was all it took…

That’s fair. Except that /ignore isn’t a panacea against everything else.
Does /ignore prevent stalker from the following?

  1. Track wheremyabouts, sit in stealth and record everything.
  2. Throw pumpkins on my characters.
  3. Contact other people I’m talking to. Or stalk them. Or harass them.
  4. Use general and trade chats to try and draw negative attention on me?
  5. Contact GMs of the guilds I’m joining, in order to prevent me from being recruited?

Answer is no.
The “Grow up” is also was uncalled for. For your leisure:

Images evidence: [Links removed]
Video evidence: [Links removed]

As to what extends this person has gone to.

Enabling how? I want to be left alone. I made it many many times clear I have no interest in the stalker. I want to play the game I pay for. Talk with others. etc etc.
Instead, this person follows me. Sends cringe messages to people I talk to or they approach me. Etc etc. How am I enabling this? What are you talking even about?

No. You’ve summarized it well. It’s exactly what my stalker tries to achieve.
Isolate me, “shame” me and disrupt roleplay. Constantly.

I didn’t say they need to be removed. But they certainly must be reviewed and improved.
Social contract of “please behave” won’t work if such systems allow it to happen while Blizz pull no action.

It is. Considering that this situation lasts since 2017, but Blizz only in the past year started to do something. First 1-week suspension was given, because another player, whom my stalker harrassed, has reported to Blizz. It was about 6-8 months ago.
And 2-3 weeks ago Blizz did the same 1-week suspension.

Issue is that he also uses 2 accounts so… yeah.

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These will lead to a ban for you and not your stalker for naming and shaming on the forums.

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Ye see. If Blizzard started to dish out permas for this case, this person would grow tired of re-buying the game real quickly but hey.

That’s why I have (since a specific incident) my profile on completely private settings.

This eliminates all possibility to do that.

True. But that requires people to know your character name + realm in the first place.