Last week I returned to my frost death knight determined to learn his new play style and make him my main again. I thought I had successfully learnt how to play him doing very well on Orgozoa (we ended after him). The rest of the week I was running around slaying mobs and really really enjoying myself.
But yesterday I went back in to the Palace and I found myself starving of runes and runic power on several of the bosses, its started to really irritate me and has ruined the fun I was having it’s now hanging over my head like a black cloud making me wonder if I’m doing things right at all. I was thinking of trying to increase my haste to see if that would help but gaining haste is impossible my haste is sitting at about 14% at the moment is that ok or should I try to gain more and if so how do I get it? Our azerite armour doesn’t really give much, trinkets, rings etc don’t usually have it. But 14% is before any azerite buffs or before my empowered rune it does increase with the buffs of course.
I’m considering changing gathering storm to frost wyrm’s fury I’ve heard it’s better to use.
Any advice would be great and appreciated admittedly I don’t like the BOS build I’m an oblit user but I am a frost dk and I’m willing to play bos as long as I know what to do.
Also am I right in saying that our auto attacks actually course a decent amount of damage and is one of our main strengths or is that not the case?.
Hi while I play unholy and not frost I experienced the exact same issues of rune starvation like you.
At lower gear levels you somewhat often have like 3-4 seconds of doing absolutely nothing and it’s so frustration. I can tell you that those issues are now 90% gone at my gear level (439)
Get some gear, do some M+, do normal or heroic EP and just gear up. With more haste from getting higher gear level it will fix itself somewhat.
In a entire bossfight its very rare I have complete rune starvation (i.e longer than 2 seconds waiting for runes to charge)
From what I hear it’s a bit worse as a frost DK so if it really ruins your play then maybe consider going unholy for the time being and go back to frost at a higher gearlevel
More haste doesn’t lower downtime, common misconception. Haste lowers the rune regen time yes, but also lowers your gcd so you’re spending resources faster as well.
Assuming no major rotational blunders it’s largely down to rng at this point and runic empowerment (I’m assuming frost still has this) or corruption procs.
Haste is what is causing the problem in the first place, the reason being is that part of your resource generation does not benefit from haste so the more you get, the worse the rune starvation becomes and subsequently making haste nigh useless after a certain point, sort of a softcap.
Don’t think this is entirely correct. Downtime changes only slightly with haste. It does increase but only a little bit. Most of our resource stuff scales with haste, but since the GCD does so as well, downtime doesn’t change much.
Today I changed my lucid dreams to minor and gathering storm to frostwyrm fury things are ok I’m still not used to running in to battle with out pillar and remorseless on and tbh I havn’t seen much difference in my rune regeneration and at times still starve mobs arnt a problem as one dies I get a death strike proc so it’s somthing else to use and rune regen seems better with mobs for some reason. Lond drawn out encounters still cause problems with starvation am I supposed to be auto attacking at times if I am it feels really weird.
Also how long am I supposed to stay in bos for? Sometimes depending on procs I can get close to 10/15 seconds some times less, on a good cycle I can go to 20 but hardly ever 25.
Am I doing anything wrong or is frost still very broken?
Then what am I doing wrong? I oblit 3 times I hit empowered rune then pillar then bos I use oblit to keep up runic power I use howling blast if I get a proc and my runic power hasn’t dropped to much then Obliterate but my runes never seem to regen fast enough and I eventually run out leaving my power to just drain.
Well I spent the last 2 hours watching every frost dk video and reading everything I could and as you pointed out I’m not doing anything wrong.
So I went to Acherus and I’ve been smacking a dummy, for Bolvar only knows how long I’ve now got what I think is the right opener, rotation and second burst sorted.
Rotation in bos
Oblit
Howling blast on rime and if runic is above 50%
Oblit to keep power up
Then I go to the oblit/frost strike dance until pillar is off cd. Then I pop pillar again oblit as much as possible and frost strike when I can’t oblit and if runic power is high. when 3 secs left on pillar I chain of ice then frost wyrm.
Rinse and repeat, i’ve also got use to aceepting sometimes I can only auto attack for a few seconds and I’ve also noticed our auto attacks are much stronger then other classes.
I’m hoping all this practice gets me back in the saddle as it were.
You aren’t accounting for the abilities that do not generate runic power, so each time you use howling blast you actually lose rune efficiency as you are now resuming your strikes faster. pair that with frost fevers runic power not benefitting from haste and you can end up losing 20% resource efficience easily.
of cours not, howling blast is part of your regeneration cycle, you just get less from that global the faster it is.
Look at it this way, you are not speeding up your resources as a dk, you are only compressing them into a shorter timeframe and since frost fever is on a set interval of 3 seconds to sometimes generate 5 power, you are basically just losing resources the more haste you use.
as an example: lets say you generate and consume 200 runic power in 30 seconds and 25 of that runic power is from frost fever, the other 175 will be generated and consumed in 30seconds minus your your haste value, and so you will consume 175 in lets say 24 seconds instead.
The problem with this is that now you are not actually generating full resources as your frost fever will always be lagging behind your rotation and the longer you fight the more power you will lose in this manner.
This may not seem significant at first but what you then need to realise is that this will lock up your rotation later on and subsequently nullify a large part of your haste bonus entirely because of it.
Thank you for the breakdown siff I appreciate it the more I play my frost dk the more I get used to things but the more I play the more I miss obliteration and the more I realise just how broken frost is. I really wish there was an alternative build to this I miss obliteration so much everything just synced. it was better in higher movement fights to then bos currently is .
I’m contemplating switching back to obliteration hopefully livid dreams helps out but I remeber being completely non viable dieing alot and having just awful dps.
Had to pop on an alt to post this but it’s me dragonsworn
Wanted to say a massive thank you to you all for your advice, I’ve taken everything on board and everything has started to feel better in game for me . I still miss oblit of course it was better in high movement fights but apart from that gripe I’m doing good, I even made a new mog to celebrate lol.
mobs arnt a problem as one dies I get a death strike proc so it’s somthing else to use and rune regen seems better with mobs for some reason. Lond drawn out encounters still cause problems with starvation am I supposed to be auto attacking at times if I am it feels really weird.
I miss obliteration so much everything just synced. it was better in higher movement fights to then bos currently is 