State of Havoc DH is just sad

Classes Demon Hunter
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I’m not here to just complain about the state of the spec, but I want to try to reason with blizzard why havoc is hot trash right now.

I’ve been playing DH since legion and I’ve been on top guilds across EU and US servers(US during legion). I have top logs and I’m still currently playing Havoc for my guild as we thought we would need the 5% buff from DH. We are a guild on Kazzak that usually ranks around top 110-140 world so my experience is obviously from a cutting edge point of view.

Currently, Havoc is the worse melee on single target alongside arms/fury and maybe assasination rogue, but nobody plays that spec right now. On AOE I think havoc is fine, it’s still under a lot of other specs, but I’m okay being middle of the pack. I’m even okay with a spec being bottom of the pack as long as it’s needed for a buff or utility in raids.

The biggest issue besides being at the bottom of the pack in DPS is the fact that Vengeance is so strong that most top guilds won’t bring in a Havoc for their 5% buff, and would utilize Vengeance for the buff. This leaves Havoc completely in the dust.

Our guild is currently on Mythic Council and will be killing it this week and we will move forward to sludgfist. On sludgfist, you are limited to 4 melees only and those melees on any guild that wants to seriously attempt to kill it right now would be
1- Unholy DK
2- Sub Rogue
3- Wind Walker Monk

(these specs all outperform havoc by an insanely large margin)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7tKe3X6UeckmBCu8t979Zq
(our WW who just switched from BM sims around 6.2k single target)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7KLkNeoAJGBErHuQH58Le4
(Me as havoc with 222ilvl sim around 5.3k)
That’s 1k under a WW on a ST fight around 20-25% better than Havoc. Same goes for unholy and Sub rogue btw.

4- Holy Paladin as a healer is a must unfortunately.

If you bring another melee to that fight you are just trolling yourself. Not that it matters at this point, but 90% of guilds copy what limit and echo would do on a fight that’s so tight as a DPS check.

Again, I have no issue with being at the bottom of the pack in DPS as long as I can play my spec in the raid. With the current state of Vengeance being SO strong, Havoc either needs a massive buff on single target or Vengeance needs a massive nerf. Nobody in their right mind would ever play or bring Havoc again if it continues to be this bad on ST. In my opinion Havoc needs a complete rework, but I know that’s not happening, so either buff us or just remove havoc from the game completely.

If you want to kill a spec this bad just say so officially so we all stop playing this garbage spec.

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Be careful what you wish for.

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i have a feeling they want havoc where it is…since everyone has complained up and down to no effect…
the last few days i’ve considered a nerf to vengeance as well, since everyone wants a veng in m+.
i’ve applied for 2-3 hours some days and no invites in m+ even though i’m rarely last…half the time i’m first. i expect that to change obv but i only want 1.3k to boost so i can upgrade legendaries easily.
a b1tch to do.
it was great if only top guilds did that…out of curiosity i tried to find a guild that recruits havoc in top 1k on EU.
i didn’t find one.

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They are middle of the pack not bottom and they do bring a very important debuff which makes one DH very valueable. Having two though aint a good idea but that goes for alot of classes and specs.

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Try playing havoc then. I keep getting rejected from WQ and mythic+ if i didnt have a guild i wouldnt be doing much content as a havoc. Playing tank isnt my thing.
Some of my friends have had to tell me i cant join them because the group doesnt want a havoc they only want vengeance.

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According to Warcraftlogs (not me, not you, not blizzard, but hard facts pulled by the WoWHead team directly from warcraftlogs) Havoc is currently dead last in DPS in Castle Nathria. Not middle of the pack, not lower middle. Dead last.

The calculation is not made based upon looking at the broad picture, but taking into account the irrefutable fact that while every other class below Havoc has the option to respect to a spec that is either slightly above, or vastly above Havoc, DH has no such option.

Based upon these facts, Havoc is currently objectively (not subjectively) dead last in DPS in Castle Nathria.

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That’s just not true. Havoc is the worse DPS in this raid atm by far. If it was the only playable spec it would still have 1 spot in raid, but with Vengeance being meta nobody wants a havoc in their groups.

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All we can do is pray we get our well deserved buffs. I won’t give up on havoc as it’s my fav. spec to play and no matter what I’ll be playing it. Gotta admit tho, I have been slowly gearing my fire mage just so I can actually play the game every now and then without spending 3 hours + in group finders getting declined because I’m not a vengeance dh…

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LFG is painful as havoc right now. You have to play Vengeance or go home basically.

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The fact that Warlocks pull 8.5K DPS on Sluge and Havoc tops out at 5.8K ( almost 50% lower ) is insane to me. That’s as Tank and Spank as a fight gets.

Even on Huntsman, where the fabled ‘Demon Hunter Cleave’ ( lol ) is in action we’re far behind the top spots.

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Ye I got to 1k io playing havoc exclusively, but it has been quite a ride to say the least and the best part is that 1k is far from impressive :frowning:

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XzA2thby9nLDMj6r#fight=33&type=damage-done

This is our mythic kill tonight on sludgfist. Just look at the joke DPS I did as havoc :smiley: Rank 1 is 5.7k

Great balance from blizzard.

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Might aswell spec vengeance ma dude, won’t be much difference dps wise :frowning:

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The pain is understandable. As a pure DPS class we rogues are hovering around between 9th to 15th while stupid hybrids dominate the charts… I really would gone to TANK if i had one. I have no patient to re-roll also i won’t re-roll. I only play wow with Rogue.

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16 Affli beats 48 DH by half a million, very nice Blizz

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mind you our BL timing is completely against my DPS. I’m only benefiting from 5 seconds of BL and for 5 seconds during the last pillar I’m just soaking and doing no dps during damage taken otherwise my log would be a lot better and still under everyone else. I did a rank1 mythic zymox last night and it was 5k dps LOL

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You have to admit it whit the resend buffs to havoc you are now above tanks and healers:)

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They just want us to re-roll or cancel our sub

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