Hey guys!
So I've been thinking about upcoming nerfs for the frost recently, and I am curious if mages will still be as useful after 8.1 as they are today.
Frost's cc and AOE damage are going all the way down and it is kinda inevitable that the numbers of frost mages in mythic+ pugs will go down as well.
What about other specs then? We know that frosts can provide a very nice amount of cc and aoe damage now, but as a new player, I kinda don't know how useful will arcane or fire be on higher keys.
What is Your opinion about the situation fellow mages?
ok.. mages still OP ..
Mages still provide several key ingredients for high mythic keys.
Arcane intellect, timewarp, offensive dispel with spellsteal and polymorph.
Our damage is strong enough, frost will remain a powerful aoe burst spec.
Arcane still got strong slows and effective aoe.
Fire has a very complex rotations available which can stack blaster master buff up to 5 stacks.
Providing significant spreading ignite damage.
I don't think we need to be worried about our place in mythics in the immediate future.
But yes, frost mages will become less present and groups will have to learn new ways to do high keys, given that there is no replacement for the snares of the frost mage.
Arcane intellect, timewarp, offensive dispel with spellsteal and polymorph.
Our damage is strong enough, frost will remain a powerful aoe burst spec.
Arcane still got strong slows and effective aoe.
Fire has a very complex rotations available which can stack blaster master buff up to 5 stacks.
Providing significant spreading ignite damage.
I don't think we need to be worried about our place in mythics in the immediate future.
But yes, frost mages will become less present and groups will have to learn new ways to do high keys, given that there is no replacement for the snares of the frost mage.
I don't think you have to worry too much. Besides, its not a bad thing that other classes get a chance :p I was looking for a caster to lvl as a main alt, but it looked like I'd have to make a second mage (I probably wont be doing much else than m+) :p
On the nerf itself, I wonder if it was intended to hit in pvp or pve or both. There are other spells that have different duration in pve and pvp. I'm ok with the aoe dmg nerf but the slow was hit too hard. A reduction to half would be a good place to start (orb/ blizzard), then take it from there. An alternative to not touching the slow could be reducing dmg.
I do wish they buffed fire. On my wishlist is a Dragon's Breath that hits as if we had the legendary from legion equipped.
There is soon another anniversary for wow. The ones who have played from the beginning knows this game has never been balanced. If they were able to perfectly balance it, one would think they would already have done it by now. It wont happen. There are a few other classes/ specs in the game who perform just as well as the frost mage and better. Wonder if Blizzard will do anything about those, and not just nerfing the mage. Rogue and DH are also very strong. Even better would it be if they put their creative team on improving other classes up to the standard instead of pulling classes down. But there probably is some marketing involved in making a little bit too good toon in the start of the expansion
On the nerf itself, I wonder if it was intended to hit in pvp or pve or both. There are other spells that have different duration in pve and pvp. I'm ok with the aoe dmg nerf but the slow was hit too hard. A reduction to half would be a good place to start (orb/ blizzard), then take it from there. An alternative to not touching the slow could be reducing dmg.
I do wish they buffed fire. On my wishlist is a Dragon's Breath that hits as if we had the legendary from legion equipped.
There is soon another anniversary for wow. The ones who have played from the beginning knows this game has never been balanced. If they were able to perfectly balance it, one would think they would already have done it by now. It wont happen. There are a few other classes/ specs in the game who perform just as well as the frost mage and better. Wonder if Blizzard will do anything about those, and not just nerfing the mage. Rogue and DH are also very strong. Even better would it be if they put their creative team on improving other classes up to the standard instead of pulling classes down. But there probably is some marketing involved in making a little bit too good toon in the start of the expansion
It was always gonna happen. While Frost Mage should have the best slows in the game, it was laughable just how much better they were than any other. Sadly they've gone overboard and now mobs don't even stay slowed while other classes have persistent slows.
I don't think they had to nerf the duration of Frozen Orb's slow so much, it being reduced to a 30% slow means a long duration would have been fine - especially because it's a cooldown.
I don't think they had to nerf the duration of Frozen Orb's slow so much, it being reduced to a 30% slow means a long duration would have been fine - especially because it's a cooldown.
03/11/2018 23:50Posted by OrssonFrost's cc and AOE damage are going all the way down and it is kinda inevitable that the numbers of frost mages in mythic+ pugs will go down as well.
No, Fire is already outperforming frost on both AoE and ST. So Mages will be just fine.
08/11/2018 12:28Posted by Rezista03/11/2018 23:50Posted by OrssonFrost's cc and AOE damage are going all the way down and it is kinda inevitable that the numbers of frost mages in mythic+ pugs will go down as well.
No, Fire is already outperforming frost on both AoE and ST. So Mages will be just fine.
no . fire s and arcane s problem are not the numbers. They were already better in numbers before the nerfs.Their problem is their core mechanisms. Arcane has 2 buttons and is really very boring while fire feels clunky and isntead of feeling hyped when combustion pops up u kinda feel stressed cause u have to press 1039203 buttons or bye bye damage.frost just had smoother mechanics (not that frost is perfect and dont need changes) and thats the reason ppl will continue to choose frost even if numbers are worse than any other mage spec (even after the nerfs)
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I dont see any class representation changes in 8.1. The god tier classes are way better than the rest and unless they prune their abilities, classes like shamans, sp,dk dps etc will never get into higher m+. Not that im calling for pruning, but getting something new for the sh*t classes would help and make the game somewhat more interesting,cos right now,half of the classes are mechanicaly horrible, boring and barely working.
personally, I’m just going to go back to arcane. I liked frost a lot more though, but good things often come to an end.
Frost is dead for pve from 8.1 same as in Legion. Only one effective spec for m+ and raid is again fire! For single-target in some situation arcane. Frost still missing synergies between talents, poor burst, low aoe, etc.
DPS difference between specs in m+, in 8.1 (overall 10+keys) 385gear
fire 100%
arcane 89%
frost 88%
Frost is just good for quests and you can still play for fun like cassual player at normal/heroic difficulity…
Are you sure about this? Fire has been regarded as a mediocre mage specc since they nerfed it in early legion (was too OP at the start), and now with phoenix flames not being baseline the rotation is a bit gutted.
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If you think mages are overpowered… then it’s wise to start playing one isn’t it ? Hahaha … etc
Frost mage the easiest spec i have played in bfa.
it is So stupid easy and does way to high dps compared to skill level.
Skill level? There’s nothing intellectually demanding for any spec in the entire game, the only real skill is knowing when and how to react to a boss/player. All specs follow priority systems that even the most basic half-wit could comprehend.
Use X > if you can’t use X, use Y > If you can’t use Y, use Z > etc
It works this way for every class in game, even paladins.
You’ve obviously never played a mage because you would’ve realised that Arcane has the highest damage to simplicity ratio, Frost isn’t even remotely close.
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/facepalm
Skill level is relative that you do not understand this shows how little you understand.
is any spec in the game hard to play no it is not is one easier or harder then another spec YES, do you understand this?
Do you also know that BM hunters dps is made lower by blizzard because it is supposedly easy?
My mage is ilvl 336 (i think) atm and no i have not played arcane yet as why would i with frost being stupidly easy to play and to do decent too good dps.
Arcane might be even simpler but then again it is the original 2 button spec.
There is no skill in playing any spec in game, they aren’t remotely difficult no matter how many buttons you add through talents.
Some specs are simpler than others, but it does not make them any more difficult to play. Be it 2 buttons or 7 buttons, its still a priority system, there is nothing difficult about it.
The skill in this game is derived from how you react to your enemy, through positioning, CC and timing the use of your cooldowns, whilst maintaining your rotation as best you can.
Also, they didn’t nerf BM because it was easy, they nerfed it because it was doing too much damage, too quickly (aka too much burst) in comparison to everyone else.
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You sound like the priority system does not add any complexity to how to play.
Also if you where correct why is not everyone having the same dps as a robot on
target dummies or patchwerk fights?
By your argument games like CS:Go require no skill as all you do is point and click your mouse.
Regardless frost mage is the easiest (with "how you react to your enemy, through positioning, CC and timing the use of your cooldowns, whilst maintaining your rotation " in mind) of all the classes and specs i have played.
Will try arcane sometime but for now frost both is the easiest spec so why change it when i both can have an easy spec and good dps.
I actually feel like frost has been nurfed by a decent amount since 8.1, The entire damage seems limited, everything feels totally off with this spec right now.
I’m not entirely sure what they were buffing, 2% isn’t here, it’s far from you can still do 10k dps on a m+ boss or 20k, the randomness is so terrible it makes fire seem viable.
I mean, I’m prolly gonna get countered hard on the forums, but legit AF feels nurfed to the ground.
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Icefall is correct, every class is literally the same now, they’re all the same thing with slight variations. We all have spenders and fillers. Although mostly now in wow its pretty much just push whatvers off CD.
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