On a side note though, what happens to a planet when a titan soul awakes from its slumber and becomes a physical titan. Interesting quote from Afresiabi Blizzcon 2017;
“When we say Battle for Azeroth a lot of people think about all the territories and all that we take for ourselves and you know, that’s being selfish. Because reality is, look, Azeroth is a titan. A titan that is potentially dying. We need to save this world. Because you know what, a death titan, that’s Outland, a shattered world, that’s Argus. So we’ll fight on two fronts, the surface, you know, and also, the heart of the world.”
Its a fact that titans consume Spirit during their slumber and hatching period, or atleast live of it. Which ties in with the elements, or atleast is seen as an element. I wanna know what kinda titan Azeroth is xD.
As i said before, Sylvanas will not return to the Horde and will most likely not return to Azeroth either.
Nothing is left for her here. She said it herself, this world is a prison ( for her ). She is undead, the Horde and Alliance hate her ( apart from loyalists ) , her sisters are not there for her.
Developers said that she is not going to Shadowlands for revenge and that is beneath her.
She will imo remain in the Shadowlands as the leader of the entire area of at least part of it. This is her “Kerrigan ascension”. Queen indeed, but no longer for the Forsaken, but for undeath as a whole.
It’s a theory. I’m inclined to believe in the “she wants to undo the Maw before she dies” theory, but we’ll know for sure in time.
Admittedly however, for my part, I’m not sold on the plan for her character being all that great. Her characterization in BFA was all over the place; which is actually impressive, considering how little we saw her during the War Campaign.
At this point I’m more interested in seeing what necromantic lore crawls out from the Necrolords and their ties to the Scourge. And praying we’ll get the Shadowlands abominations as DK pets along the journey.
Agreed. Whether she dies, ascends or something third happens to her, I don’t see her returning to Azeroth either.
If you ask me, I kind of thought Blizzard wanted to write her as a combination of Arthas and Garrosh and - I wasn’t sold, let me put it that way.
It’s why I chose Saurfang > Windrunner, because I just don’t feel that you can take two characters and try and blend them into one existing character.
Yeah, I can see where youre coming from. But since Undeath doesnt have any leading figure, it is kinda the vacancy that meets Sylvanas her criteria. Ruling over death would mean she can make up her own fate in the afterlife. It fits inside her story narrative and purpose. On top of that, just having a completely new figure fulfil the role of leading undeath as a force, would create a disconnected experience I think. Since a new character would come out of the blue and have no lore significance or what so ever. I dunno, it wouldve been best to leave her character untouched as Banshee Queen of the Forsaken. But theyve taken the story so far, they cant really turn back at this point I guess.
Ive also been keen on seeing more necrormatic bits coming to the game though, theyve been teasing undeath for countless expansions now. Not to mention the amountof hints in BfA, especially island expedition. All those quest drops hinting undeath. Im suprised we havent reallly gotten any undeath gameplay, since they basically already had lightforged forsaken before BfA launched in Before the Storm. I expected to atleast get some undeath allied race or more spells based on decay as magic school, or undeath magic. Too much tentacly void corruption, Im craving for undeath things.
I’m still not sure what their creative angle was, truth be told.
BFA undid a lot of what Sylvanas used to be, and replaced it with some very one dimensional characteristics for players to remember (and either love or hate) her by. Not unlike Garrosh by the time his role as antagonist was due - you’re quite right there.
Pretty much all nuance and secrecy was thrown in the bin and replaced with some very bland goals, some methods intended to cause a stir among players, and a slew of convenient abilities to ensure that her story could continue into Shadowlands. It’s almost as if Sylvanas (pre BFA) outgrew the capabilites of Blizzard’s writing staff, and they had to simplify her to fit her into a leading role of the war narrative.
I’m gonna stop myself from going on a full length rant on the topic. Like I said, at this point I’m mostly in it for the Shadowlands themselves, not so much Sylvanas or her fate.
The cat is definitely out of the bag, yes. Here’s to hoping the much teased lore on necromancy and death itself make for a compelling story (not that I’m biased).
I distinguish Garrosh and Sylvanas. Cus Garrosh was ultimately corrupted by Y’shaarj and thus cant really hold him accountable for his actions imo. He might have been an iron first ruler, but he wasnt the mad orc he was when he became corrupted. I mean, if everything is gonna be about cleansing corruption in 8.3, then how can Garrosh be seen as a villain, if we never tried to cleanse him or anything. WHere as we do cleanse others of their corruption now with wrations research. Its like applying 2 different standards.
Anyhow my point is, Sylvanas has acted on her own free wil. Uncorrupted, knowingly. Where as the same cant be said for Garrosh and so I find it hard to compare the two. This is why I prefer Sylvanas myself. The way I see it, Garrosh loyalists kinda ended up doing Y’Shaarj bidding in instead. Or at least the Korkron true Iron horde thingy. Im not fully informed about the lore on this though, in game it happened kinda suddenly during the SoO patch where he was a mad orc all of a sudden.
Garrosh got played. Sylvanas however, is pulling the strings herself. Or thats just how I perceive it. Even devs said in an interview Garrosh is an amature compared to Sylvanas, all I wrote above is what I think he meant by that.
I like the way you think though. But yeah I think the initial writing might have made sense, but in terms of what they could technically implement in game due to faction restriction, probably made writing go down the drain.
Up untill BfA I can see logical paterns in her writing, her actions abandoning her people and Forsaken siding with the Horde makes 0 sense and probably wasnt the writers intention either. But well, Blizz has their way of leaving things half finished and starting fresh next expansion.
Blizz has definitely lost their connection to the playerbase. Seems like theyre just randomly trying different things, then waiting for reaction from the players and hoping for the best. Rather than being on the same wavelength with their playerbase and understanding the consequenses of implementing the content they decide to add to the next build. Bit dissapointed in their disability to comprehend these paterns.
The whole team Sadfang and team Sylvanas wasnt planned either, it was only after player feedback they added this option. As ppl felt pidgeonholed into making their choice. This only made it worse for them, as they already seem to be unable to understand the impact of their decisions in game. Every time Ion says we made a mistake, we learn and do things differently next time, it just makes me think how could you not see all of this coming on beforehand. Or maybe I just expect too much I dunno.
What I didn’t like about it is how Nathanos kept telling us to “just play along”. We were led on to believe that Derek being delivered to Jaina and Baine surviving was ultimately part of Sylvanas’ plan. But at the end of the war campaign it seemed like it really wasn’t due to how angry she was at Saurfang from the beginning of the cinematic.
At least they made an effort to give us a different ending than the rest. Hell I was worried that if a fight with Sylvanas was coming, Nathanos would’ve been like “heh, just go with it and kill Sylvanas, it’s all part of the plan”.
But here’s the thing too, without the loyalist option (which wasn’t planned), that war campaign would really not have been… you know? A WAR CAMPAIGN. It would’ve just been Alliance and Horde players standing together against a common foe disguised as Horde. Sounds familiar?
As i said, they didn’t thought the Sylvanas fans would be this loud and pretty sure at Blizzard’s office there very mixed opinions on how the story should play out.
Different writers inserting his / her own bias in the lore and it results into the randomness that we currently have.
They said several times that they write the incoming story 2 expansions in advance, so about 4 years.
If that is to be believed, the BfA story was finished sometime in WoD.
So It does mean something that they still gave us the option in an already determined story.
love his theories and he’s so cute!!