Stop forcing players to do dungeons

[Moonweaver-earthen-ring (Moonweaver)]

ok, that is massively unfair to force players into mythic dungeons to get something that was sold as an expansion feature.
Every other allied race only required exalted rep and a short scenario. It makes no sense to single one out for special treatment.

[Stalkerkgs-boulderfist (Stalkerkgs)]

@Rotsuken-eonar

What I have problem with is that players are forced to run a specific type of content to get certain major rewards, when no other type of content is required for similar rewards.
I have Horde equivalent unlocked already because it didn’t force me to get into this specific type of content that makes me sick.

Dungeons is a core part of WoW, and have always been. Complaining about being forced to run a dungeon is like complaining about being forced to do questing. Dungeons is a big part of the game, and if you don’t like those, perhaps this isn’t the game for you.

I could understand the frustration if you where forced to do some niche activity like pet battle or archeology, but that isn’t the case at all.
And honestly, any dungeon M0 or lower can be done in 20 min half asleep. And finding a random group for those take 5 min. I respect that you don’t like the part of the game, but this is 20 min of your life, I think you will live. The time you have spend on this topic alone is most likely more than just doing the dungeon.

[Gráinne-earthen-ring]

@Moonweaver-earthen-ring

Every other allied race only required exalted rep and a short scenario.

Didn’t Dark iron require a dungeon as well? but I don’t think it was ever on Mythic. Day-um, that was a tedious one - not so much the dungeon; just seemed like the scenarios went on forever.

[Gráinne-earthen-ring]

@Chocoh-draenor

You can solo a heroic dungeon on a 370 chara now

Really? I haven’t been in-game much lately, much less done anything, but I don’t remember dungeons being that easy. I remember getting pas a couple of packs on my pally at 110 in tank spec and thinking I could solo it if I wanted to wade through it, but at 120 in dinged gear I died so fast I didn’t feel the bullet that killed me. Could you solo heroic Shrine on that mage?

[Dejarous-draenor (Dejarous)]

@Moonweaver-earthen-ring

ok, that is massively unfair to force players into mythic dungeons to get something that was sold as an expansion feature.
Every other allied race only required exalted rep and a short scenario. It makes no sense to single one out for special treatment.

Oh come one.

It’s like moaning “I’m forced to level” to access good gear. People whine about anything.

[Sylvare-argent-dawn (Sylvare)]

@Rotsuken-eonar

I could ask some people to help me

@Rotsuken-eonar

But I’m not going to.

Well then, case closed

The few quests that require it are small in number and this is basically a wall of text because youve been what, forced into maybe one or two dungeons you can just breeze through on M0?

Also world Quests arent locked behind dungeons, those specific world Quests are active inside the dungeon, because the Quest applies to a target within the Dungeon, Just dont do those WQs

The Zandalar forever achievement giving it is perfect and means they wont dump a new requirement on us and legit like how have you not completed that yet on atleast one char

Its like you refuse to play the game but expect the rewards regardless, maybe a pay2win game is more for you

[Destruktio-stormreaver]

@Shammoz-terokkar

To be fair, whilst I do actually concur with your overall sentiment, the Jaina storyline involves Freehold, Tol Dagor, Shrine of Storms, Waycrest Manor and then Seige of Boralus… so it is not one dungeon.

That’s the equivalent of the Zandalari requiring the Vol’jin questline, really weird oversight from blizz.

[Bukachu-ravencrest]

Stop forcing players to play the game!!!

I want invincible mailed to me ASAP, andno i dont want to run ICC, stop forcing me -_-

[Mojomane-blackhand (Mojomane)]

@Moonweaver-earthen-ring

ok, that is massively unfair to force players into mythic dungeons to get something that was sold as an expansion feature.

Ok, that is massively unfair to force players into WQs to get something that was sold as an expansion feature.

@Moonweaver-earthen-ring

Every other allied race only required exalted rep and a short scenario. It makes no sense to single one out for special treatment.

Well, now they force me to grind rep (Where the only way to acquire rep is WQs) just so i can unlock an expansion feature.

I would prefer if i could run 100 dungeons instead.

@Rotsuken-eonar

I tried a few dungeons this expansion. I really gave them a try. Some weren’t that bad, but it happened often enough that I just want to have nothing to do with this part of the content. Is it so hard to understand?

Yes, maybe find likeminded people to play with, if you hate random players ruining your ‘fun’?

@Rotsuken-eonar

No, they are not. You don’t have to do a single Island Expedition in order to raid. You don’t have to do warfronts either. The only thing they help you with is that one high ilvl item you get once per cycle (and a catchup for alts, although not amazing one with 320 requirement and 340 rewards).

You completely forget about the AP farm and the HoA levels required for azerite items. You need a HoA of lvl 36 to unlock all DPS traits on all HC items and a HoA lvl of 38 to unlock all DPS traits on all mythic items.

@Rotsuken-eonar

You can choose not to raid or PvP. You can’t choose to stay away from dungeons

You can, but you have to live with the consequences.

For Horde there is e.g. the Voljin quest that requires you to kill Ghuun.

@Rotsuken-eonar

What I don’t like is when some important part of the game are blocked by a single type of content. And that type of content is almost exclusively dungeons

What, thats almost exclusively WQs. You need WQs for the main story, you need WQs if you want to raid, you need WQs if you want to unlock allied races, you need WQs if you want to get Pathfinder, you need WQs if you want to learn recipes, you need WQs if you want to get certain toys, you need WQs if you want to buy the mounts of different races, and so on and so on.

@Rotsuken-eonar

What I have problem with is that players are forced to run a specific type of content to get certain major rewards, when no other type of content is required for similar rewards.

Maybe complain about the allied races being locked behind any form of activity, not them being locked behind a dungeon, cause that’s just one symptom, not the cause for the problem.

[Jermaine-ghostlands]

Seems we miss the point here. This game is not just about ‘you’ it is also about other players. By not participatring you may be robbing other players of your expertise and experience. One less player to make the queue longer. So someone waits for a dungeon and wants a good time and by being there you help in that process. The game is about players working together to have fun.

Maybe it’s time to think of others and give them your time so we can all play World of Warcraft. For the team.

[Caesa-draenor (Caesa)]

You,are playing an MMO not a single player game, if you cannot handle at times having to do multiplayer content to play either accept that this is the nature of the game and continue playing what you can or quit and find a singleplayer game that suits.

What you don’t do is demand the game change genre to suit your needs.

[Moonweaver-earthen-ring (Moonweaver)]

Nobody is asking for the game to change genre, just to have some consistency and keep Allied race available to all as all the rest are.
And to those who say Mythics are easy and quit whining? Presumably you would all be ok if it was locked behind a pet dungeon, or arena wins, or max level inscription then??
Because I find mythic dungeons as unpalatable as some mythic dungeon fans would find these activities. Doesnt mean Im playing the game wrong just different.

The basic features like Allied races should be available to all.

[Gráinne-earthen-ring]

@Moonweaver-earthen-ring

Presumably you would all be ok if it was locked behind a pet dungeon, or arena wins, or max level inscription then??

Does anyone remember the Epic Salt that flowed when all the dungeoneers and raiders needed to do BGs for The Cloak?

[Wickedwilly-silvermoon]

Yeah this is just BS,i spent months getting all exalted now im expected to do dungeons/mythic as well? Nah like the OP i have no desire to enter dungeons or mythics. Its boring enough levelling new chars but having to jump into LFD nah not gonna happen. Every dungeon i’ve done in the past has been full of the most obnoxious toxic and nasty individuals i’ve ever come across in online games. BFA has been pretty poor so far tbh so i’ll probably be bailing on the game when this comes about.

[Bowlow-draenor (Bowlow)]

@Radium-dragonblight

I am bit sad it has to go that way. I lost so many friends from WOW during Legion who were earlier happy doing their professions, quests and story who were then blocked out of these things because they do not enjoy doing dungeons. One of them put it well when i asked about leaving: “This is not encouraging me to do other content, this is blackmail. Not gonna pay for this anymore.”.

Usually arguements here flow in themes of “these dungeons are super easy” and “not willing to give effort” which sort of nullify eachothers. I think for most people who don’t want to do dungeons it’s not about something being hard anyway but more of personal preference of enjoyment or other reasons.

Biggest problem i see in this system here is that players who are happily paying sub and enjoying game on their own way are prevented from doing things they like and were used to do if they don’t do content they don’t enjoy. Some will just suffer through but some will stop playing, not out of spite but because they have less and less things they can actually do in game anymore. We have already lost so many players and i don’t want WOW to end up like Wildstar.

Your friends should be happy they didnt play during TBC. As most reciepes were found in dungeons or rep grind that required tons of dungeon runs.

[Typhùs-draenor]

This is the sort of entitled crybabies that slowly destroyed the game over the years. Give me this, make that easier, make it faster, don’t make me work for stuff, just hand me everything on a silver platter, my sub entitles me to have everything, etc.

[Eighjan-terokkar (Eighjan)]

The MOTHERLODE!.. to retrieve the hammer to mend the Dark Anvil.

[Mion-argent-dawn]

Omg, stop forcing your paying playerbase to actually go through the game’s high quality content. What a terrible crime.

[Radium-dragonblight]

My friends did play in TBC. All the way from vanilla till Legion. Happily. And most recipes were totally available without dungeoning too much. I remember grinding some patterns for example from ogres and ethereals in Blade’s edge. Good times! Some recipies we bought from AH. Reputations were never a problem, there was many ways to get them back then.

I have to admit we did once do dungeon that time because there was one major thing that was locked behind heroic: my epic flight form quest. We 4 manned heroic Sethekk for it. Otherwise there wasn’t anything we felt that was preventing us to do what we felt like doing.

[Aundra-nordrassil (Aundra)]

@Gráinne-earthen-ring

Could you solo heroic Shrine

I did… It’s duable.