Stop forcing players to do dungeons

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‘Forcing’ in this context would be better worded as requiring, but not mandatory at this exact time.

If there is no other content (that you want, as a player) to do, that’s different… what the game offers you by way of content variety - and what you choose to do - will never always be the same.

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I don’t really mind them locking things behind dungeons so much if they’re accessible in heroic from the very start. Locking things like story behind mythic only dungeons though, that annoys me.

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On a 380 tank, I’ll believe.

My question was to a 370 mage. Chocoh specified “a 370 chara”. I’ll drop a piece and try for myself if I log tonight.

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Why would you play a game if one of the biggest offers the game has to offer are Dungeons/Raids and PvP? What is the point?

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What else? As awesome as it would be, fishing in Boralus is still pretty much boring…

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Sorry if this sounds dismissive or flippant… If you hate dunegons & you don’t PvP, what do you spend you time doing at end game in an MMORPG?!

Generally people are in one of two camps, your either a PvE’er & like group content, dungeons & raids OR your a PvP’er & enjoy battlegrounds & arenas. Sure there are other things to do, but the bulk of the content is in one of these two categories.

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The bulk of the content? maybe. The bulk of the people? Hard to say - how bulk-y?

Judging by achievement stats, a small to moderate majority, 50%-75%, do at least some of them once, or occasionally, but I don’t see any evidence that a significant majority do them regularly. It’s actually really hard to get anything solid. When I went looking for information on this before, back in Legion, the best interesting factoid I could substantiate was that about 15% of the total avoid dungeons,and my best guess is that about 30% just “don’t do” any group content, where “don’t do” means they may do it sometimes because they feel they have to, but try very hard to minimise it.

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It just seems strange to me that people are want to play an MMORPG but as a single player game… Then get annoyed when they feel "forced " into group content at end game.

That would be a bit like playing a Pokemon game but trying to avoid gym battles & the elite four… Or buying a Super Mario game & then trying to avoid platforming :stuck_out_tongue:

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I was pretty fed up in Legion with how many dungeons Alchemy required to unlock recipes. They kind of took note of that and didn’t do it as much in BfA.

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I’ve spoken to many people I met through Newcomers forum who have been here for quite a while and have never been in a dungeon, and are just not interested.

Why would they be?

You are assuming a lot when you say “people that want to play an MMORPG”. That could be true for people who specifically sought out an MMORPG, but how many is that? No, I don’t know either, but it’s nothing like 100%. WoW is bait-and-switch. You start out solo, and quest, and nothing really leads you to dungeons until you hit max level. Why should someone who enjoyed the solo game while levelling want to change to play a different game?

The most successful WoW player I ever met never went into a dungeon group, though her guild once or twice brought her to an old raid. So why do I say she was most successful WoW player I ever met? She enjoyed every minute she spent here, just logged off when she’d had enough or wanted to do something else. Since enjoying yourself should be the aim of all players, except for the very very few who make a living from it, her success rate was 100%.

People like her are never heard from here on the forums.

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The problem imo that creates the loss of interest overtime is simply a lack of content that is genuinely new/refreshing, FUN and challenging (which drives the will to do and get better).

These dungeons are well made but it’s been done time and time again tbh.

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Well my first experiences of WoW was levelling in Vanilla & TBC. Back then levelling encouraged you to group up (a lot) & do elite quest out in the world. So it wasn’t exactly bait & switch back then.

Sure the game has changed quite a lot since then. Sometimes I forget the game has changed so much, to the point where it has been twisted on its self, focusing on the individual rather than the community.

Anyhow, I am still some what confused. if you are not doing group content at end game, what are you doing? This friend of yours who you consider the most successful player, if she didn’t do dungeons, raids, battlegrounds or arenas which like it or not is the main focus of end game content. If she didn’t do any of these things what was she doing? There is only so long pet battles, achievement hunting, profession & other side content can keep you occupied for.

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She levelled a few characters by questing. She loved getting stronger than she was before. She loved herbing and mining. Loved it. Couldn’t get enough of it. Not so much skinning or fishing, but she did some. When I showed her, she started to put her herbs and ore on the AH. Loved getting gold from that. Probably had more gold than I did. Never did anything with the gold, but enjoyed having a stash.

The distortion you’re experiencing is that you think everybody looks at the game the same way. This view is pretty much shared among forum types, who are on the whole far, far, far more invested in the game, and knowledgeable about it, than the average player.

Lots of people play for maybe half an hour at a time, and that’s their lot most days. Then a few hours some days when they’re in the mood, but with no goal beyond passing time pleasantly. That viewpoint is not at all spoken here. Maybe Isdy, but Isdy is very knowledgeable from the old days, and is aware of what’s going on; just not especially interested. I don’t fool myself that I understand how others see the game, and even I am taken by surprise by some of the people I discover.

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I think the forums show that people frequently want different things. I do love those threads that try to claim ‘we want’ etc.

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Yes, but though the forums show differences, even the biggest range of variation on the forums covers really quite a narrow range of the variety that exists among players. Because there are all these players who are never interested enough, or need, to make it to the forums, or Wowhead, and certainly not Youtube or MMO-C :open_mouth:

Your guild and the forums, and maybe whatever type of groups you join, is like living in a neighbourhood where everybody is pretty much like you. You really get no sense of how people outside your neighbourhood live and feel.

Preach in one of his videos recounted how LFD looked to him in the first weeks it opened. It’s quite funny. “And there we were finding all these people, who had never been in dungeons before, and didn’t know what to do. We didn’t know them, didn’t know they existed, and we couldn’t figure out where they were all coming from.” lolworthy. :smiley:

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Sounds like the only thing they’re trying to force is for players to actually experience the WHOLE game and all content and not only run one Island expedition and then cry theres no content.

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This should be atleast top 10 hall of fame wow complaints of all time, for real.

You people are litteraly complaining about having to play the game, what a time to be alive.

Thanks for the memes tho.

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This is the stupid sort of player blizzard caters to, someone who doesnt want to do group content in an mmo……dear lord, these levels of stupidity shouldnt be this high.

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This might be true, unless you were a enchanter and blacksmith just to name 2 obvious ones. BoP recipes from dungeons only and reagents from heroics who only last boss dropped.

Vanilla : alch and enchanting, even blacksmithing recipes from dungeons and raids only.

If anything, it’s never been easier to get what you want with less than minimum effort. This game used to be more than just world first and who has the highest score.

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ye but that was before tinder :slight_smile: thats why in 90% of time those “willing to waste their time” were hormode driven teens chasing virtual puss :slight_smile:

if you were male it was usually dead silence if you didnt bother people long enough via real id to come :slight_smile:

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