Ok so there’s no punishment for leaving a m+ group, but what’s infuriating to me is that if the rest of the group continues and finishes the run, the LEAVER gets credit and also loot mailed to them. The system actually rewards leavers which is insane.
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So you’d rather people be able to kick someone so they can’t get loot?
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Make it so they have to be gone for 5-8 minutes or something, noones gonna bother to abuse it if it costs time
Pot, meet kettle.
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Bruh.
In Cata we waited 2 hours to kick someone, we just went and did other stuff while waiting for the timer to kick him.
People are alot more impatient nowadays
People cant even wait for the dungeon to go at a normal speed sometimes
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This will never get old.
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True
Thats the closest you’ll ever get to a forum user in-game, announcing a wall of text for petty reasons
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I’m glad that keeps coming back to haunt
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So true… plaguefall is a perfect example of this when they could still run skipping runs.
Well, to leave and to be kicked is not the same. Two different digital commands, and if digital game can’t distinguish two, then i don’t know what to say.
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It apparently can’t. If you get kicked from a dungeon (through dungeon finder) before a boss has been killed you get Deserter.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
You people live in such a fantastic world don’t you.
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well…tbh, if the time cost scales with the key level, it might ruin a run and cant be timed anymore.
i guess saying noone is going to abuse it is a bit exaggerated but i suppose fewer people would kick people (in this imaginary scenario where this was possible) as people in general still would want to time keys.
so i d say he isnt entirely wrong about that.
Imagine saying that while ragequiting keys!
It’s almost like some leavers do get a punishment.
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But if you increase times, you directly increase the chance of getting loot in higher keys.
(on the little numbers of key that get completed after someone leave anyway)
If someone leaves unless other 4 are in group, or really despised the leaver chances are, the effect is gonna snowball and the group disband anyway.
So you basically add something abusable for a really niche situation already.
I have never completed keys with 4 random pugs after 1 left.
well, i dont know about that, this of course would need tuning as well. i just think that if someone had to calculate in a 5-8min penalty for a +15 or so, i guess people would at least think twice if they wanted to kick someone if they want to time the key. 
i dont know, i have, but usually on lower keys. also depends on how far in the person leaves.
well i just tried to explain how Grovi could have meant it. thats it 
Well, people who keep fxxxxg up and die all the time also are part of the loot system right? That also bothers some people. In the runs I do, people who fxxx up always seem to get loot, and the people who actually work hard to get things done, get anima. So, deal with it!
its neesesary evil because otherwise they would have no way to protect people from guilds and organized groups that would just kick pugs before last boss - 4 man it and ensure they get loot.
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