Waiting is boring !
I am not paying game time for this game hsyt to be told - hey if you want to play PvP you have to wait!
I attack a player and he kidney shot my char. I wait 6 sec. I get bored. He then abuses the absolute incompetence of the rogue class designer and cheap shots because why not ? Now I wait 10 sec because a guy is bad at his job and I get even more bored. The rogue now proceeds to disarm my char. I get to wait even more.
What is this ? Server loading simulator ? If I wanted to look at loading screens why would I play WoW PvP ?
PvP used to be I press X dude press Y and counter each other.
I freaking got the noob rogue out of stealth. What happens ? The player abuses rogue class designer’s incompetence and cheap shots again ? Why ? I outplayed him ? My reward? My char is in some stun or whatever and I have to wait again.
The sitiation with healers is the same. Druids have the “fun” stun + cyclone AND NOW YOU WAIT combo. Waiting is the name of the game … Wait for CDs, wait for defensive, wait for buble, wait for CC wait wait wait … I AM BORED !
I want to play the game, not wait ! Waiting in que is enough, hell, waiting to find a partner should be enough waiting ! And now some classes have buttons that makes me wait even more even in the arena ?
I can pinpoint the classes that feel super bad to play against. No surprise, rogue is one of them. When playing WoW PvP it feels like roulette - my expirience is dictated by how many rogues and other BORING to play against classes I get to play against.
How about making kidney shot root just like warrior’s charge is now ? At least now I have some buttons to press! How about you make stuns make me wait less? Watching the stupid loading icon of the stupid stuns … I rather alt + tab and watch a movie.
Or write another angry topic on the forums . Waiting is boring. PvP gameplay have too much waiting. I am bored and PvP games are not supposed to be boring.
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Warrior vs rogue used to be that either warrior took down the rogue with few blows or the rogue withered him down during stuns and escaped to re during gouge. It has always been the case with this example you used of warrior vs rogue. I agree that df is bloated with cc anyway but that also counts for warrior. Take gouge from sub and put shockwave and sb on choise if we start pruning cc. Every class dont need to have 4 cc per spec, game is just bloated with dozen cds of everything now from defensives to modifiers and cc and tww looks we are going towards proc based combat again more or less.
Haha this
people could make weakauras that CC on you plays some “funny” tik tok music so there tiny brains can get some stimulation while waiting a view sec
Against warrior no or only against a warrior that doesn’t know his toolkit. I agree on the micro cc bit, 1 stun per class is already more than enough.
Warrior gaining a weird anti-cc (Colossus) with TWW will create more problems in balance work as well…
War vs rog matchup were always that rog cc him and runs when war is on dr or he dies in 2 hits to a geared warrior. Modern war has even more tools to counter rogues with 2 bladestorms and banner and increased amount of cc of their own. Whats toxic now is the increased amount of cc on all specs, like war has shockwave,stormbolt,fear,disarm and sub has cheap shot, kidney, gouge, blind, disarm. Both could have disarm but lets take gouge from sub and put shockwave and stormbolt into pick one from two as choise, next we start looking at dhs arsenal of cc these days and then mages and continue moving onwards from there till every class has cc pruned the way it was before DF. Ppl shouldnt only complain of rogue when every spec has had its cc abilities increased making the entire game bloated with dozen cc in every spec.
I play destro or demo in arena and im against warrior,dh,dk guess how many cc they rotate as total on me during 3-4min rounds to stop me casting, its completely toxic and out of hand. Then their healer also happens to be rsham top of that, so lets put range kick, grounding, cage+relocate,incap and lasso aswell on the list. Rogues are the least of my annoyments in this expansion and I hardly even see one. Its the sum of everything else that need to be adjusted and not just single class.
Yes, I also remember the 2 tap Overpower on rogues trying to tank me. I also remember the one tape Enhancment sham on everything except Plates when they had wf proc, but that changed a lot since. Still was I meant is that you can try to gouge a warrior to reset, 90% of the time you’ll be in for a surprise.
Gouge is an incapacitate effect, berserker rage remove them
Otherwise I mostly agree with what you said, specially on the: “not just a single class”
You had to be in berserk stance to use berserker rage and they were in def stance if they knew your coming or battle if theyre fighting. But my point were that war vs rog were always about rogue doing cc or getting killed by 2 hit, modern wow war has more tools to deal with cc than back then but the concept is still same. DF is bloated with cc anyway so thats the only thing I agree with him the rest is just normal. Ive played this cat vs mouse scenarios as war and rog and mage against all of the variables since 2005, cc has always been aspect in the game and some use it more and some use it less, in DF it seems every spec use 4-5 cc which make the game quite toxic and clunky when someone is constantly on 2 sec micro cc of some dr. So instead of only complaining about 1 class I would focus on addressing the entire issue as whole cause removing few abilities from 1 class doesnt do nothing to stop dh and his mate from using whole spellbook instant cc on you for half of the round in nonstop cc fiesta and when its about to end it just continue with another dr school.
Meanwhile were all just waiting till you stop swirling around like a damn tornado being immune to everything and self healing like a damn healer. Man I hate these waiting games so much!! I want to play the game not wait few sec till the warrior stops being immune omg the horror. Every tornado takes a few seconds of my life I will never get back… How about making the whole universe evolve around me, else I rather alt tab and call mommy to bring me blanky before I really get mad.
So you guys are ok for the devs to make storm bolt make you sit 6 sec in CC?
Thank you for your valuable feedback, class designers - take notes ^^
I don’t even have tick tock, I just play better games where I actually play the game rather than wait for a bar to load and call it a game. I am all in if you guys want warriors to have more CC, that’s all I gather from your feedback on this topic.
What are we waiting for ?
Let’s make warriors have another stun for 6 sec on 20 sec CD? And another that mass stuns for another 6 sec. And keep the stormbolt buff ofc.
This is what the community wants. make it happen blizz ^^
I will be having fun attacking CCed target dummies, they will be happy to be in CC and we will call it PvP …
Your arguments are too easy to make fun of. Also FURY FORGOT HOW TO BLADESTORM somehow , so the bladestorm argument is not working too, I wouldn’t care if disarm works on bladestorm, that would actually be beneficial.
Devs! Hear this guys! Make warriors have 2 - 3 CCs that last 6 sec! The PvP “community” have spoken!
Eh, if only it were 6 seconds. Against some comps you spend 80% of the game cc-ed
https://youtu.be/-yG3h-OeqUo?si=ZoJlU9l3sI4s6Fit
You waste a ton of time on soloq waiting or lfg (that’s how it is with most players) and then you finally get into a game where you spend 80% of the time cc-ed. We all know this is one of the main reasons why pvp has hit rock bottom, but as always, let’s pretend it isn’t.
i think pvp is not for you if you just want to smash your buttons and do max dmg without thinking.
Id argue that since melees have unlimited mobility you are most hitting something 90% of the time.
i mean you can play wotlk like “pvp used to be” and be legit stunned for 10 seconds by rogues or get kited by mages for 30 seconds without hitting him once.
wow is very pve focused right now and dmg is really key especially if you play a melee like warrior or dh.
different classes have different strengths and weaknesses.
Tonight I am fighting a cheater rogue that is using 3 - 4 stun abilities on my orc one after another and … nothing is happening…
My char sit in stun, orc racial is not helping, game is not working, my char is unplayable.
Ofc I report the cheating elf but the game keeps putting me against him.
Another example of boring PvP - cheaters ruining the game mode with stun cheats - you are trying super hard to make ppl not play the game doing nothing developers !
Stan skillcap is using your comment from forum related shuffle on their video, it show on some ven react video aswell.
I imagine its some old post and you dont share the thought no more, seems they have intentionally looked for positive posts about shuffle no matter how old the posts are.
