You can at least have a chance in normal ones because you can coordinate people. But coordinating 40 man is very tough against these losers.
Forming premade into epics are new low.
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Are you losing to losers? Please clarify your problem.
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I am losing to losers yes I donāt understand why you get offended though
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How do you define a premade?
Are 2 friends a premade for you?
Is a group of 5 a premade?
Or do you mean multiple synchronized groups?
I define premade as forming up at least 30% of a raid with highly geared people in meta compositions for bg.
2 or 5 people would not be a premade. Itās called friends having fun.
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How do you know if youāre facing a premade and not a group of 5 ppl?
When was the last time you played against a premade?
I am seeing same 10+ people 4 times in a row today. Queueing into same people tends to leave a mark in memory. Itās not a judgment based on just 1 bg. I would have given their names but itās probably against ToC
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Today there was 1 group of 5 people playing. I know this for sure, there are no synchronized premades.
At this time of day, few people play, maybe thatās why you came across the same nicknames.
You may also have noticed that your team has at least 10-15 players who played in the last BG
What you are saying is practically impossible because people leave at the first wipe and new ones join. It is highly unlikely that you come across the same people in your team.
That being said, I can tell there is a problem when enemy raid has twice the size of your healer and multiple balance druids acting like turret. We canāt really explain it with mere coincidence.
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Thank you for clarifying.
Premade is a poorly defined word that means different things to different people.
Also there is a lot of hatred for people playing in groups and Iām glad you are not one of them.
As far as synchronized premades go, there are only two names you really need to pay attention to, Zenie the druid and Larkus (usually shaman but he also has other classes).
If the lobby has either one of them, there is almost certainly a synchronized premade in the lobby. I recommend you just leave immediately and refuse to play that rigged game. These players wont stop what they are doing and they get away with it, but you can refuse to be their fodder.
Letās ask together, did these 2 names play today or not? Or was it still one groupā¦
No. I had a druid named Zado at horde side in these epics I mentioned.
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5 ppl is a group of 5 ppl
15 ppl is 3 groups of 5ppl.
5ppl is a premade
15ppl is a synchronized premade
You call 15 ppl - synchronized premade, but you donāt call 5ppl - premade.
Donāt try to bend reality
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I was thinking maybe he meant Zado and with his last response we have a confirmation.
Zado is a player who sometimes plays in synchronized premades, but before noon he is usually just playing with a handful of friends and leading random teams, so what you faced is most likely not a synchronized premade.
Also, people generally suck at telling different types of groups apart.
Sometimes players get called a premade even though they join completely solo.
Do you have any tip how to escape this mess apart from crawling to lxrkus?
Blitz and its mess of a mmr-system isnāt a solution 
The problem with the term āpremadeā is that everyone uses a different definition.
The OP for example also doesnāt call a single group a premade in epic bgs, just a group of friends. I use the same definition.
I think some people met Zado today and thought he was syncing. Some players might have meant he is there with a group.
Tbh the whole situation is a mess, but synchronized premades which are really problematic only take place when Zenie and Larkus are present.
Oftentimes the word premade gets thrown around and it demoralizes the team because they think they are up against an impossible challenge, but it is just 1 group and oftentimes not even that. Even lone strategy callers get mistaken for full sync premades at times. There is a lot of confusion going around.
I would only use the word premade for teams with multiple pre-arranged groups joining in sync like Larkusā groups.
There are many options.
You can organize your own pre-made 5 ppl from very good players. Your wins will be 90-95%. You will only lose to synchronized pre-mades
You can join one of the multi-thousand communities and become part of them and play in different groups 2-3-3-5 ppl. In such communities there is always someone to play with.
Create your own community and become part of a large PVP family, exchange experiences with other communities, hold joint events.
But I know exactly what you shouldnāt do when playing a large-scale MMORPG game - play aloneā¦
Playing alone you will always play 1us 40
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I think this morning in Ashran Zado wasnāt in a group, he joināt in the middle of the fight ant turned the match.
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Yes, I can see how that could have happened. Zado is a good epic bg player and his strategy calls make any team stronger that he is part of. They will make fewer mistakes, fight at places that have real strategic importance, waste fewer lives etc.
All thanks to having a strategy caller like Zado.
And as I said, strategy callers, groups with a strategy caller, groups of strong players without a strategy caller and synchronized premades with multiple groups get confused all the time and its a big problem because against a random team with a strategy caller you have fair chances to win, but not in a 100 years can a random team defeat a fully stacked sync premade. They are all casually labeled as a premade by the player base, but they are as different as night and day.
People should learn who is who and what is what.
Zxdo, Lxrkus, Zxnie, live in epic bgs since many years, like itās their full time job. At this point you just know the bg inside out, without having to be gifted at playing. Then on top of this circumvent the system by queing up with multiple groups. The whole game is destroyed then.
Itās just about the characternames. People since years know these names for their bad style of playing. If one of them would play alone or with 1 group, itās already enough to win because of the charactername. Itās like another cheat.
And no, you cannot expect from all players to know exactly all the epic syncers names and at which times they start playing synced etc. Plenty of people have a busy life, and just want to logon and play to relax.
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