Was lurking through a lot of older Pre Threads in my perma deserter farms nearing end of season,i didnt bookmark them tho.
could be this:
Not sure tho. His profile is over 700+ posts and i’m busy.
Even asked him in a dif thread what he thinks happens if a supplier disappears and the demand remains 
So you writing to me, I should assume you mean other ppl? 
I called out shotcalling to be massive advantage vs non-shotcalling teams.
Are you telling me you did not gain alot more winrate after you starting doing it? Or were your talk about you getting alot more wins based on it inaccurate?
You literally kept writing about it over and over again on how much more you win.
So you are arguing based on “everyone can do it”?
And I argued based on a shotcalling team vs non-shotcalling team?
There are plenty of teams who dont want to do the shotcalling. I argued based on those teams, not on “everyone can do it”.
If we are going to talk about “real advantage as its available to everyone”… You are aware everyone can even do syncing?
I know its not really the same, but the sync team literally made that exact same argument.
Even said communication between the group is something I even do myself if need to.
Sure, I would say alot of ppl arent that good.
Now imagine bringing in 1-2extra good healers and 2-3dps (meta specs) while shotcalling. What difference would that make?
It would increase your chance of winning.
Or do you disagree? Would that not help your winning at all to have atleast some reliable players?
So it was not 1-2 lines. Thats what I am getting to.
I never said shotcalling is difficult to start with. Getting into it can take abit of time but normally when you do something enough you automatically do it. Its the same with most things.
Not everyone panics based on “premade leader”.
So you called me out with:
“You practically portrayed us shot callers in the most grotesque, caricaturized way full of straw men”
Calling me out to spread falsehoods. When I asked you to simply quote where I did all those things, you somehow “cba”?
I asked it for a reason so I could look into it myself from your view and explain from my side.
But I guess you got that mad about me saying “premade” instead of “max 5man grouped players” because you and a few ppl kept changing how syncing is called and everyone had to follow it?
It was completely obvious from the context that I wasn’t addressing you exclusively in this post.
An advantage is something the other team doesn’t have or can’t do.
It’s not something they choose not to do out of laziness!
Can the other team type? Can they discuss strategy and agree on a course of action, either by letting one person lead or discussing what they want to do among equals?
Yes?
Then how does the team with a shotcaller have an advantage?
If the other team chooses not to communicate and has much worse coordination as a result, which leads to their defeat, that is the problem of the other team.
(generic you, not you, Yojeong)
If your team blitz team doesn’t assign a proper off cart team and you lose every off cart in silvershard, blame yourself.
If you let your FC die in CTF because nobody feels responsible for peeling them and nobody agreed to do it, it’s your team’s fault.
If your team ghosts bases in Arathi and never calls for incs, skill issue.
If you treat epic bgs as a PvE scenario, if your team doesn’t regroup after being beaten in a fight, If you let the opponents have all your graveyards in Alterac for free and don’t recall to save your towers, if you allow morale to go to **** and all of this because you are too LAZY to communicate with and coordinate your team, which is your RESPONSIBILITY when you want to win, then blame yourself.
Don’t be mad at the opponents who play the game properly; play the game properly yourself.
Then they should accept the consequences of their refusal to communicate.
They are not going to defeat a team that displays proper teamwork and neither should they.
The game isn’t rigged when these teams play badly by choice.
Callers are not to blame when they make use of communication and the other team doesn’t.
Playing fair VS bending the rules
Syncing and gathering strong teammates is something you have to do before the round and have no chance to do during the round because you can’t materialize good teammates out of thin air as opposed to communicating to stand a better chance against callers, which you can EASILY do with ANY team within the round.
Where does this end? Do we just all bend the rules as much as we can and form bigger / more elitist premades than the other guy? 100% of matches will be decided before the gates open when we do this.
One can get an advantage in player quality using premades. For this, you need to invite players who are above-average fighters in large quantities.
Sync premades do this heavily, shot callers either play alone, or they go with weaker players in much smaller numbers. Budspencer recently described the players who tag along with me as downright weak.
The dangerous thing about a Zado “premade” is Zado himself, because he makes his team act in a more organized manner, not the few players who he brings along in his group.
The player quality advantage in most teams with a shot caller is minimal and can be overcome by a random team. Also it isn’t exclusive to premades and shot callers. Everyone can bring strong friends into the round.
Too many still do and this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
No, I don’t “somehow” cba, but I justifiably cba when you wave away legitimate criticism with a remark like “Zzz”.
You apparently have a bad memory yourself.
You can’t even find the passage where I allegedly approve of him selling spots in his premade for money.
I made a few posts in the past saying that I know Резал is selling spots in his premade for money, disapproving of the practice.
When he became a crypto peddler, I found it funny. It was kinda weird, but I would rather have him be a cryptocurrency salesman than another sync premade leader.
Also, what does this have to do with anything? This is yet another attempt to derail the thread and make me look bad by bringing up something I allegedly said who knows when. At least tell the whole story then, or better yet, stay on topic.
No you aren’t just worth the effort 
Wasnt the only time you mentioned that admiration either,peak irony is however that you ignore his victims.
Just like you ignore the people you screwed over,you know the people who paid the price of seeing zxnie even more often so some others can dodge.
You also paddled quite hard from muh zxdo bad stop syncing u peeep to omg i love you so much.
You farmed enough wins when he was with 3-5 People that your Hatred turned into Admiration as well.
Same goes for literally everyone else.
Since you lately glaze Emg i assume multiple “almost like sync” wins were the indicator?
But the one Person you apparantly haven’t farmed enough wins remains.
You had no problem defiling drx new clean slate,before his ban, to get a potential win against L.
You were so adamant about syncing yourself,almost using him as the goat so u aren’t the mainculprit at least, so tunnelvisioned to make him invite your friend you totally don’t wanna leave behind, that you oversaw one sentence which should have made you go huh?wdym.
“I have never done this before.” It might take a while.
Did you, the person who always writes about “playing wiff my friends”, at least ask him after the roidrage went off what exactly he meant?
Have you ever asked him outside of that incident what ordeals he had to go through in his prime and after that?
Did you ever really bother to listen to anyone or is your only purpose to “challenge” other peoples experiences based on a few games most of them done on horde anyway?
Ever wondered what the difference between you and him is?
Why was it him that had to be banned 2 times and not you?
Are you a bad leader not a threat to anyone? Is your winrate against other groups or your overall playtime too low to be considered anything more than a nuisance?
I look forward to your take.
You couldn’t find what you were looking for to smear me because it doesn’t exist.
The quote where I applaud Rezal for selling premade slots never existed. Your memory is bad and this whole Rezal discussion has nothing to do with the topic.
Who?
I don’t have the faintest clue what you’re on about…
Many people referred to him as a premade and I thought he was playing in sync premades most of the time. I’ve faced him many times this year and learned that he isn’t playing in sync premades. He is a strategy caller like me who leads random teams, sometimes with a handful of friends. We had many close fights facing each other.
I am a strategy caller who doesn’t like sync premades.
Zado is a strategy caller like me with whom I had good games.
When he isn’t participating in sync premades and fights fairly, I respect that.
No, Emeg is another strategy caller like me.
I played both rounds with him leading where he made good calls and against him, where he was a tough opponent and a worthy challenge.
Hence, I respect him.
He also told me he enjoys playing against me. Sometimes we deliberately try to queue into each other on opposite teams.
About Drex: I mistook him for just another talentless sync premader who needs multiple groups to win, but after his penultimate ban, he quit with the syncing and started leading random teams, sometimes with a few friends. He was a shot caller like me and the others at this point, we played many close rounds and I respected him as an equal. We became friends and I even offered my help in getting him the grand marshal title in blitz because this title would be fitting for him.
One day he announced in his community that he wanted to form a sync premade to snipe Larkus. I read the announcement and said that I’m up.
We agreed that we would snipe only Larkus and not play against random teams. This is not unfair and not immoral and neither mine nor his reputation would have suffered in any way. Playing in synchronized premades is not wrong on principle. It is unfair because if your opponents are a random team, they can’t fight back. If your opponents are a synchronized premade, the match is fair.
I had temporary bans on my account before and I deserved them at the time because I insulted other players in the game. I don’t do it anymore and didn’t face another ban since last October.
Drex did too. He had a fiery temper, was very grandiose, spammed a lot of macros and by doing so, he annoyed a lot of players who reported him. One player told me a story how they like me more than Drex and how Drex had threatened them btw. Seems in character to me. Drex had a very particular personality that could get him into trouble, but I could overlook it because I admired his abilities as a talented strategy caller.
Drex didn’t get yeeted because he was “too good”, he just pissed off a lot of folks.
Now please spare me with this kindergarten video game drama. I am not interested.
I am a strategy caller who doesn’t like sync premades and respects fellow strategy callers.
I want to help players improve their understanding of the different kinds of groups known as “premades” in epic bgs, because there are significant differences.
You were admiring his business model ignoring the fact you now “help” people who are probably the same type as his prey back then. People who could not really fend for themselves on the expense of others. Its also quite sad that selling unrated content was a thing back then when the overall pvp population was quite bigger than now. So in a way even the buyers were victims too since you must hit quite a wall to consider this.
Rather sad and not really out of question that someone could do it in this timeline. Not you not anyone specific just ain’t out of question.
I just find it funny that all your posts are: this person bad > farm wins > this person good/beatable everybody can do ! rinse and repeat. The winrates that stacked up over so much seasons are saying otherwise.
Certain conditions must be met in order to have a decent chance,they aren’t often if people don’t go out of their way.
Dunno, People were complaining about facing too much Premades(something you yourself complained about reading) and your conclusion was lets make another Community under some world pvp umbrella so people can build even more groups + dodging zxni.
Now for everyone that got to avoid zxnis Group other people had to face him even more. How does this not make sense to you?
You think bots replaced the alliance players in your com using it to dodge him or what?
Drx understood one thing,the cake wasn’t big enough for everyone once a certain point is hit.
I’m not saying sniping them was wrong it was just very odd you weren’t very interested why he said this might take a while i’ve never done this before 
Since it was in his last term of reign not in the first when things unfolded.
I didn’t watch all of it did you win?
No he started as a sololeader,had here and there 1-2 friends with him later a full 5 man team and at one point started “syncing” to beat the other syncers. You were the first one to point fingers at him back then if you don’t remember that. It could not have been you lost to one team. You were very adamant about finding out if they sync and how much groups and once you had your confirmation you it was done for you,didn’t even bother to ask if it was the case for this or that bg.
Name starting with h ending with gras? Or his friend?
Or perhaps that healing evoker?
Thanks for admitting it
Gl with that.
No.
I said playing in sync premades is unethical and charging people real world money to participate in a free carry through epic bgs is doubly unethical.
Then he became a crypto peddler chilling on the beach in thailand and I thought his new business is kinda funny and I admire the entrepreneur in him. I remember saying something to that extent.
I allow casual players who think I do a good job leading in epic bgs or those who claim they struggle to win join me when I have a slot in my group and if they so desire, regardless of their skill level. My only demand in return is that they at least attempt to play the objectives to the best of their ability. I am not an elitist when it comes to casual bgs.
I am a strategy caller, I don’t like sync premades and I respect fellow strategy callers.
Someone who I assumed played in sync premades turned out to do exactly the same as I do. What reason do I have to dislike them? They play the game like I do and sometimes they beat me, so I respect them.
I founded War Game Central (WARG) with the intention to host war games, premade VS premade epic bgs to give the syncers an alternative to syncing. I met Zenie once in a round and told him about my project. He was open to the idea and I invited him to the community. Priskah told me about a guild called “undefeated forever” who was looking for partners to host an open world PvP event, so the community was expanded to events.
To fill the community, I invited players from my epic bg rounds in bulk, just offered an invitation to everyone who wanted to play. We hosted the event with undefeated forever in January and it was quite cool, even though we had to improvise a bit. We planned to host a war game with Zenie last month, but we had to cancel it because too few players signed up.
Zenie has time for war games on Saturday evenings, and I have to work on pretty much every Saturday evening, so I can’t participate.
So there are no war games or events happening at the time being and the project is on standby. During downtime, the members of the community organize to form small groups to play epic bgs and random bgs together. Why shouldn’t they?
The whole thing wasn’t some decoy operation pretending to be something it is not.
WARG is exactly what it claims to be, a community for war games and events, albeit rather inactive at the moment. The reason for that is that there are relatively few people who want to help me organize. Many have told me they are interested in war games and events and the things we could do with the community, but when I asked them if they could help me to take concrete steps organizing, nobody had any time.
So If people want to see war games happening, I welcome anyone willing to help btw. The infrastructure is partially built.
Also having Zenie in the community did exactly nothing to help me and the others in the community to dodge Zenie. You could see when he was online on one of his characters. You couldn’t see where he was. If you queued for the alliance, you ran into Zenie regardless from time to time. It happened to me all the time. I mostly left because it is pointless to attempt to fight a sync premade unless you are in a sync premade.
TLDR: WARG is for war games, but inactive, maybe it will be reactivated at a later point. It has nothing to do with dodging.
No, it was a fun attempt though.
He never deliberately tried to snipe another sync premade, while making sure the groups he wanted to sync in himself also made it into the round. He had to send scouts ahead to make sure it was the round with Larkus etc. He had to make sure his other groups (including me) could also enter.
What’s there to question? I understood what he meant and didn’t need to question it further.
No. A hunter of the alliance told me that story.
To be fair, Drex threatened and insulted me too, when I first started talking to him, he was still pissed at me because I made fun of his new year’s post. Over time our relationship improved and we began to respect each other.
But yeah, Drex is absolutely the type of guy who would threaten people in a video game and this, along with his tendency to spam macros, present himself in a grandiose, RP-like manner and his fiery temper lead to him being reported, a lot.
Yes, sync premades get called premade and deserve their reputation as unbeatable, unfair and oppressive, while strategy callers are very much beatable and about as much “premade” as a glass of water with two slices of lemon in it is a lemonade or juice.
So yeah, differentiate pls.
It might been obvious for you who wrote it ofc. But as you know, if you are answering directly to someone, I would expect something like:
To make it if its not directed at me or is not even involved about me.
Not what I know of? Advantage can come in many different forms to my knowledge. Not only based around what “others cant have”.
You have an advantage with the sense that you are already a shotcaller while the other side might not have one.
Some people just wants a casual epic BG without raid warnings etc.
This is more a personal belief on what they believe is playing the game properly.
You being a shotcaller might be something you believe is playing it properly.
Casual people who just wants a chill game without one believes its properly.
Syncers (even if they are ruining the game) believes (no idea how) that what they are doing is playing the game properly.
Alot of this is just personal belief.
Sure. But alot of ppl didnt join expecting to have to communicate either.
If one side have a shotcaller, I wouldnt expect to force someone to be a shotcaller on the other side. If a person or group wants to try it out, thats perfectly fine.
Since it can only be fun if both sides have one if so.
The argument were based around that everyone can do it, regardless if its good for the game or not.
Can you really speak for all shotcallers on this?
Unless they fix the core issues with the game currently goodluck on that being addressed. >_>
When people dont read what I write, but write on assumptions, I tend to stop caring and do exactly the same back but just dumber. So if you didnt want to explain further on it thats up to you.
(I prob wrote better last time, but system deleted it since I apparently did not have game time lol.)
It is just one possible way for a team to achieve greater coordination.
Discussing among equals what you want to do as a team is another.
Both options are available to the other team.
I don’t view shotcalling as THE way to play epic bgs, but it is a viable option.
What I don’t view as a viable option is running around like headless chickens and blundering objectives because of a lack of coordination.
People can play like this if they want to, to each their own. But they can’t expect to be effective like this and they must accept that they will lose to teams that do something better.
Then they won’t get far against a team that does.
Imagine two teams play Arathi basin. One communicates incs in chat so reinforcements can arrive in time to spin flags and hold bases. In the other team, the players are too lazy to call incs, they also leave bases unguarded (ghosted) and don’t tell anyone in their team.
The team with worse communication obviously loses, and do they have a right to be salty at the winning team who played the game right, unlike themselves? Most players would probably say the losing team should have played the objectives better, and that they should have done a better job calling incs.
They would not say that the other team, which played the map effectively and displayed proper communication and teamwork, is to blame.
You can apply the same logic to strategy callers in epic bgs.
In PvP in general, you can only win at the expense of your opponents who have to lose. Whenever you become better at the game or do something that is an effective play, it will be more difficult for your opponents to defeat you. One could say it creates an imbalance.
That has never been a reason not to become good at the game.
Your objective is to win the game with your team and you may use all fair means at your disposal that aren’t cheating, including gear, communication, consumables etc.
You don’t have to wait for reciprocity from the other team until you start doing something effective. You can call incs any time, even though your opponents don’t do it. If they don’t communicate even though they could, that is their problem.
Ok, then the difference is that you shouldn’t do what the syncers do because it’s bad for the game whereas having better communication with your team is fair.
There are less than a dozen shotcallers in Europe and none of them overload their team with unbeatable player quality like sync premades do.
Their success is largely a result of better coordination.
Sometimes they do bring strong friends, but nothing excessive that would be too much for the other team to handle.
Sure, but being a shotcaller from the start gives you a “headstart” in that option.
It literally felt like thats what youve been writing all the time over and over when you keep putting out shotcalling as the “way to go”.
I would say most ppl do that. I dont rly enjoy leavers who leave just because they lost their first fight. But I can partly understand if they face a known shotcaller and its just pure silent in your own. Chance to win are already pretty slim even before the fight. Unless your group just has better dps/healers.
Both yes and no.
You are talking out of the worst case scenario vs the best case scenario in terms of communication. Ive had enough times where ive defended with no communication and won. Not that many who has been communicating to begin with.
Even had ppl communicating wrong things that ended up in a loss.
Shotcallers (in most cases) already knows what needs to be done and will give out correct communication. Giving a higher chance of winning from the start (in most cases).
Taking 5 strong players in 10-15bgs will obviously have a much higher chance of winning from the start compared to epic bgs in this case.
Sure I dont dispute it, but people are also allowed to call out what they dont feel is fun for them in BGs. Just the same as you should be allowed to call out what you feel is fun.
Question is, whos fun is more valuable?
Yes its bad for the game to sync, but the whole point is, because nothing is being done from blizz side it seems like they are “allowed” to do it, even if its exploiting matchmaking system, just means everyone can do it.
I dont suggest anyone do it though since it ruins it for everyone else. They are just there to ruin the game for everyone else.
So you say they sometimes bring it but at the same time they dont.
I never said they synced enough ppl which would be excessive.
I said
Which is pretty accurate. Bringing in people you know plays good will always have a higher chance of winning. Not talking about “a much higher chance of winning”.
That would only be accurate in 10-15man bgs.
To Mxlanny
When the river runs dry and the curtain is called
How will i know if i can’t see the bottom?
Come up for air and choke on it all, no one else knows i’ve got a problem.
What if i can’t get up and stand tall?
What if the diamond days are all gone and who will i be when the empire falls?
Wake up alone and i’ll be forgotten.
And nobody told me I’d be begging for relief
When what is silent to you feels like it’s screaming to me
Well,nobody told me i’d get tired of myself
when it all looks like heaven, but it feels like hell.
Was listening to this when you wrote me and thought hmmm almost as if i’m talking to someone that needs to hear it.
Would give you my plush penguin to cuddle all the emotions away. Now calm down listen to a nice song get a hot choco milk let the night tune out with a few EBgs and tomorrow will be a new day. For every bad queue a good one will come 
The irony is that you and I play (as I know it) attempt to lead ebgs as solo queue players.
The sad thing is they’ll never believe you and paint you as one of group-syncers.
It’s just the same old stuff, day in, day out. If you’re grouped in a 2 man party, you’re just as bad as the syncers.
The hypocrisy is that they do the same thing, lol.
Sometimes I do get the impression they’re just closet masochists. They like each other’s posts when there’s no meaningful context to them just to hype each other up and conceptualise that they’re fully in the right.
It’s so incredibly sad. If they had this much dedication to anything else (aside from whining 24/7) maybe they’d find a solution to what they dislike so much, but perhaps the echo chamber is far too big and too far gone.
I appreciate that you try and take an unbiased viewpoint to these brain-numbing schenanigans, Fistus. The sad part about it is they’ll always paint you as one of the bad guys despite you agreeing with them on various points. You have to realise that whatever you say, however much you agree with them, they’ll always tarnish you badly because their image of you is that of which they hold so much disdain for.
Then again I probably gave them the benefit of the doubt with the ability to resolve cognitive dissonance.
Cue another 20 angry posts and Jay attempting to stay relevant for 100th time by editing people’ s comments because he can’t formulate a comment without getting absolutely rustled. Let’s take it back to when he got forum banned for having several meltdowns over a video game. 
In the same way that being willing to communicate incs with your team gives you an advantage. Or having good gear and playing a viable build. All of PvP is about being faster, stronger, and smarter than your opponents. Communicating better is one way of doing it.
The way you put it, you almost make it appear as if “shotcaller” was a class or a special perk only available to a select few individuals but it isn’t. We are ordinary players who communicate with their team via chat. Everyone can do what we do. Communication is the “advantage” that can be neutralized the easiest if the opponents put in a little bit of effort.
Minimal effort, easy to do, maximal effectiveness, greatest impact a lone player can have on the outcome of a round, great results for the team…
Nobody forces you to do it, but you are kinda shooting yourself in the foot if you don’t.
It’s like a clock icon powerup (cooldown reset) is lying 5 feet besides you on the ground, you could use it but you don’t bother to pick it up. What will happen? Your opponent will see it and go for it, then pop all CDs and send you to the GY.
Why is it silent in their team?
Nothing is preventing them from communicating.
If it’s in their control and they don’t do it, it’s not the other team’s fault.
Ofc, everyone is allowed to have an opinion.
However, if someone says they don’t like synchronized premades, that is understandable since syncers bend the rules to rig the game in their favor with player quality no random team can possibly keep up with.
But if people say they don’t like shot callers, they are basically saying they don’t like players who play fair but are hard to beat.
It’s the difference between “I dislike cheaters” and “I am salty because I lose to players who are better at the game than I am.”
I respect the former stance, but not the latter.
There is no hierarchy in this regard, but there is a hierarchy in which way of playing is more effective and who gets to win more often and as a result, gets to have more fun.
Yeah, obviously.
Callers aren’t exactly overdoing it with stacking player quality in their team. They do it in moderation or they join solo. The spontaneous order they create in their team by making calls is what makes them dangerous opponents, not the few friends they may or may not bring.
You might want to read an extra time, drink a cup of coffee and read it slowly. I never said anywhere that it is special in any way.
Have even told you several times I know shotcalling is easy. 
So its the way to go, but at the same time not the way to go? Now you are making me confused. You say its only a viable option, but at the same time telling everyone they are shooting themselves in the foot by not doing it.
That is literally my point.
You expect someone to always step up, and if they dont, they wont go far.
If a shotcaller que up. Voila, you already have the advantage of not EXPECTING someone to have to step up.
And we go back to, some ppl just dont want to fight known shotcallers.
You dont have to try to expect everyone to like it.
Thats your personal opinion. If you want to hate people who dislike shotcallers, go ahead. You can believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better.
And do you even care about respect from randoms? So far I have seen nothing that shows it. More that you despise them.
But it still increases the chance to win. The better players you bring, the higher the chance.
Thats been a major point why people dislike premades (up to 5man) even in normal BGs.
“This is an MMO, you should play with friends!” is a weird defence on why people should enjoy it even if they dont.
As in all, in WoW, ppl will dislike alot and will have same view or different view between ppl. Some will hate you and some will dislike you.
There are ppl who dislike you.
There are ppl who dislike me.
Just accept people might have an entire different view from you and enjoy something entirely different from you. Thats it. Ive already told my experiences with known shotcallers and why I dislike it. I ACCEPT PPL DOING IT, but noone would be able to force me to “like it” just because they believe its better. Regardless how hard they try.
Only time it could even be fun, is if both parties have one and the BG itself is back and forth fight. I fall asleep at one sided BGs.
Just a quick summary:
Shot calling is one way to do it, deciding among equals is an alternative, having a designated shot caller is perhaps the better option since one person can “solo” the task of coordination for the team, you can still give your input and suggestions to help them.
Having a designated leader also allows them to use raid warnings to reach more players. Raid warnings are less likely to be ignored than regular chat.
The opponents have the potential to organize, so organizing your own team is fine. If this potential goes untapped because the opponents are too lazy, too timid, or too complacent to have a leader or discuss strategy among equals, that is their fault. None of this is a valid reason not to organize. As long as the potential is there for the other team, the game is equal. It doesn’t have to be realized in practice.
When two blitz teams at Elite rating get pitted against each other, everyone knows it is their responsibility to discuss tactics and who goes where if they want to win. They simply know that it is up to them to become active and communicate if they want to win. They also know that if they don’t do it, they are giving the opponents a free win and it would be a huge mistake. It may be different on lower rating where YOLOing it may be more common, but my mindset is the standard in all high-rated BG players.
If one took your stance and consistently applied it, they would have to take off half their armor if they fight undergeared opponents and only call incs if the opponents also do it, since everything else would create an imbalance in favor of your team and a one-sided round.
This stance makes very little sense. PvP is about playing better than your opponents. You do what you can to win and the opponents must do what they can if they want to win. There is no reason to hold back.
Can you please stop making assumptions based on what is neither said nor implied?
I said you are free to have your own opinion, but I don’t view disliking strategy callers as a particularly reasonable stance. It boils down to not wanting to face teams that display a modicum of coordination and teamwork or being afraid of capable opponents. This is basically an admission of being too weak to face them.
Strong and capable players have no reason to fear someone like Zado, and they know what it takes to counter them (just a bit of communication). They aren’t afraid to do what is necessary to win.
They try their best and put up a fight. These are the players I respect, and if they win, I respect them even more, and I hope that this type of player will increase in numbers.
If you’ve made up your mind, that’s your choice. Let others decide for themselves.
People are focusing on the wrong aspects entirely if they think that a strategy caller’s strength comes from bringing players with them into the round as opposed to making calls for random players. They can make calls solo and it works just the same as with a small group. If blizzard introduced solo queue only for epic bgs, callers would absolutely dominate. There will be no groups of strong players stopping them.
As someone who more recently started PVPing a bit again (mainly for achievements I’m missing so not hardcore) this definitely felt like a massive problem. At least every other epic BG (if you’re unlucky it’s more than that) is against some turbo sweaty premade and you’re already pushed back by the time you join. People see it’s a premade against one of the people who should not be named and it’s a “take the L and move on”.
But now that I’ve been doing this for like 2 months, honestly I get it. I feel so cynical and jaded over all these losses against premades, when I actually found myself in one (accidentally) I was just relieved that I would finally get to win one. I get that it’s very frustrating and maybe something Blizz should look into but I also get why people do it this way. Trying to play an epic BG the normal way of just going in solo and trying to win the old fashioned way is like trying to swim against the currents. If you’re against a coordinated team it’s hopeless.
I don’t understand why they do it because ultimately there’s very little reward from doing so but I guess there’s also people spamming timewalking or HC dungeons over and over. I’ve gone through all the stages of grief and arrived at acceptance. Unless Blizz changes something you’ll come up against these groups and it will suck, but it is what it is.
At this point, they should just lift the limit and allow a mass queue up to 40 players, you can handpick, and go queue, this will then encourage guilds to organize and experience the authentic PvP Guilds therefore encourage premades vs premades
You are comparing sweaty blitz vs casual epic bgs.
While its partly true what you are saying, at the same time it feels like your point of view is very degrading.
And people are not saying you cant do it though?
People dont say you are not allowed to shotcall.
They however have the right to say they dont enjoy it and want something changed. Just the way you are allowed to degrade them for not wanting to lead or communicate.
So you saying you respect syncers more than solo players who are not doing “everything they can to win” is not you disliking them? Because they are not doing what you want them to do?
You talking down on them?
If that is not a form of dislike, I have no clue what else to say.
And btw, you make plenty of assumptions yourself.
Exactly. So do that. Let people who dislike premades (UP TO 5MAN), shotcallers or syncing dislike it.
Please, drink a cup of coffee and read it again. You quoted about premade (up to 5man) but you talk about shotcalling solo.
Shotcalling is not the only thing people say they dislike in this very thread.
Some say they dislike premades. (up to 5man)
Some say they dislike shotcallers.
Some say they dislike syncers.
You can say any form of defensive measures you want, you can use any form of argument you want, but if you cannot and refuse to have any form of view from their side, its entirely pointless isnt it?
Thats been one of my belief.
If they allow syncing (since its literally que’ing as a raid) why just not open it up so 40man can do it so we can remember holinkas post about it when they removed that option from Ashran in WoD?
Only real difference it would bring, is that they will get 40man instead of 15-25man. Atleast it would finally make ppl quit faster.
Another one, and possibly the easiest is actual crossfaction reshuffling the teams and mixing things up to prevent a entire raid stack, but I still support the concept of allowing your team to form a raid whether is up to 25 or 40 in order to queue BGs like Wintergrasp / AV or Ashran. But exclusively just to the Epic Battleground mode.
Normal Random BGs should remain 5.
The danger is that it would just fail hard on new players and people not being in a community. Theres no real way for that to actually be balanced in any shape or form.
Unless you make it so they can only face equal amount of ppl in the raid on both sides, but we all know that would never be an option.
Crossfaction should exist in epic bgs to begin with, I believe it should even be in normal BGs. But some ppl just really really really like facing the opposite faction regardless if it most likely would make the games better for, atleast how I see it personally, majority. But I can be wrong ^^