Stop this #removevoidform BS and give proper Feedback

Classes Priest
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Before you storm with that tag in here:

I HATE VOIDFORM MECHANICS TOO

But at this point it is quite obvious they are not going to scrap it.
We will have to stick with STM and VF.

Your spam about removing it will only pollute the topics and make Blizzard even less likely to listen to feedbacks.

VF have obvious problem but it should have been quite obvious that they did not want to scrap it as soon as you saw alpha with barely any changes.

If you really love Shadow priests, let’s try and give proper feedbacks ABOUT voidform.

Let’s try and reach them (AGAIN) with suggestion they can actually work on.

I know people gave ton of feedback and people are frustrated but starting to spam to remove Voidform won’t really solve the issue.
And it is also becoming really toxic towards those that dare to not align with this BS.

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I would be happy with a response from blizzard. Regardless of what they say in it :frowning:

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There are countless feedback posts on forums of how to improve VF gameplay since Alpha day 1. They just dont listen and no response from blizz. Thats why ppl went crazy and spammed forums with #removevoidform and raging.

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I know, I am not excusing their behavior.

But at this point it is quite obvious VF is here to stay, and people are not spamming #removevoidform because they are triggered for no response, but because they just held their breath hoping in a miracle, that they would scrap it and now they are triggered VF is still here.

If they wanted to get rid of it, they would have done it before alpha, that was a clear sign of what they wanted to do.

What i am saying that our only hope is instead of fill the forum with crap with should fill it with feedbacks that shadow really needs.

At least that will be more likely to happen

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The feedback is already there. It is Blizz’s turn now. Ppl will keep spamming until Blizz gives a response that makes sense. Not like DP.

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I know dude, I am just saying that spamming things like:

  • make lingering insanity baseline
  • make shadow word void baseline

Are a million times more likely to happen instead of spamming to remove Voidform.

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I thought maelstrom was here to stay, but here we are. It’s not too late for SPs.

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Shaman resource was removed back in April?
What would be the point of holding back such a deep changes until alpha is basically over?

You would want as much feedback as possible to that.
If they have a build ready for that there is no point of not dropping it earlier in alpha.

If shadow goes into beta like this, that is because they don’t want to do deep changes.

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its too late in the Alpha cycle… they wont revamp classes during a beta. even they have said this during several of their interviews.

they’ll make Minor adjustments and maybe delete or add a New thing or two but they wont mechanically revamp or change classes from beta going forward.

Spriests wont be losing VF this expansion.

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We have done that…others more than I…and what has Blizz done?

Nada. Zipp. Nix. Nothing.

Frankly most are probably sick of it by now. So provocation is now what they are using to gain attention that is needed.

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When I do beta testing for a game they just want to get rid of bugs. If something is really broken about a class they might fix it. Most of the time beta becomes retail, even if the bugs are not fixed.

Most of the time companies like blizzard will conduct a poll for the game. It’s their polls they listen too. If people cry on the forum but the poll shows most like the class then they move ahead.

Given the level of response to remove void form, me if I was the developer. I would ignore them. There is nothing really constructive given as feedback. If you hate the class, play another class.

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Where did I say that Blizzard did something excuse me?

Provocation won’t work to be honest.
They will just see it as useless feedback and simply ignore it.

Imo is more important for the community to rally on some important point and spam Blizzard to make those changes.

The us priest forum is filled with :clown_face: ready to impale you if you don’t align with the movement, it does not matter if your post is about good feedbacks for VF you will just get some “no just remove VF” replies that add nothing to the discusson.

They won’t help SL to be better for us, those people are actively trying to make it worst at this point.

I hate VF too, but if that is what we have to go with i would prefer to see the forum filled with suggestions and not trying to achieve something that won’t happen.

Yes and no I mean, I kinda hate when a class get substantially reworked without leaving the previous iteration up in any way.

They literally sacrificed old shadow for the Artifact, I don’t think is fair to those that loved shadow for like 11 years.

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I played shadow in the bc and legion. You can’t go back to bc, current shadow is more difficult to play and that’s the fun for me. BC shadow I had a marco and that would give me top dps. SP is better now but pleasing everyone won’t happen.

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Even if you want voidform to stay, there are glaring and obvious issues with shadows talent tree, and the specifics of how voidform has currently been put into the game.

I know your disposition is to disagree with me, but mind blast is currently just ruined in Alpha, and still doesn’t have two charges to boot.

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I did not say that I want to go back to Tbc shadow don’t twist what I said.

I said that once this overhaul happens those that loved old shadow, basically find themselves forced to play a new spec that they did not ask for.

And on top of that if they say they don’t like it, they get attacked by people saying “go play a spec you like if you hate VF” but I mean, that is what they were doing before Blizzard shoved VF down their throat.

This is a side argument of me not liking Blizzard completely destroying a spec from one exp to another not really VF exclusive.

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But has blizzard destroyed the spec. Everyone makes statements of subjective feelings. Makes a statement about talents without substance. Yet once a falsifiable statement is made, it quickly gets falsified. I am tired of this crap, I falsified one statement in another thread and had to deal with pure nonsense. It goes from one thing to another. Every expansion the same people start this end of the world for shadow priest nonsense. It happened with legion, same people then and same people now.

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Mind blasts cooldown on alpha is 1/3 of a GCD longer for no reason at all, meaning it doesn’t even line up with the rest of your rotation outside of voidform anymore.

In voidform, mind blast still comes off cooldown in the same GCD as void bolt, leaving it unused while void bolt takes priority. This has precedent for being a problem blizzard fix on both fury warrior and BM hunter during BFA alpha, yet shadow still requires a talent.

That’s one very small example that I’m sure you can substantiate by checking alpha spell data, and messing about for 5 minutes on a dummy on live.

Shadow Word: Death, while it has returned. Is currently set to deal upwards of 40% max hp to you in raid gear when it’s used on a target sub 20% and doesn’t kill it. Something that’s gonna happen a lot in raid encounters where the spell makes sense to increase our execute damage.

Power infusion is now usable on allies, meaning despite the spec being tuned around using it on yourself, you’ll never get to, because it’s always better to use it on another DPS with actual cooldowns to use with it.

Shadows legendaries are uninspired or don’t amount to things that make any sense for us to actually be doing, comparing them to other DPS legendaries is legitimately annoying.

Shadows covenant abilities range from pure utility, to a damage cooldown that replaces mind flay with a cooldown ability, meaning your rotation just has gaps in it where you can no longer mind flay. The venthyr one also only generates insanity when your target deals damage, meaning if your tank dodges or parries the mob it does nothing.

The list goes on, and on, and on, and I haven’t even talked about how it feels to actually play on alpha.

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I am not claiming that Blizzard destroyed it, I am just saying that they basically reworked it completely, without any chance for those that did not mind MoP/WoD shadow to keep playing it.

But again this is not shadow priest only, same can be said about Dps prot warrior, survival hunters.

I just don’t think that completely removing a playstyle form one exp to another is good at all Imo, especially if the new one have a lot of problems that they don’t address.

About what talents you are talking about here?
Shadow is pretty locked talents wise.

SW:Void, LI, LotV are all talents that were staple pretty much the entire BFA.

Whats so without substance about it?

Surrender to Madness is a talent that will never be balanced and they keep reworking it.

I do agree that we should focus on VF instead of taking about what shadow was and trying to go back to it while Blizzard don’t want to.

But we have to agree that atm the talent tree of shadow is in a pretty bad spot.

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Let’s just say SP talents may not be as locked as you think they are and leave it at that.

Hopefully blizzard lock all the remove voidform bs threads. Start a poll if you want to make a point, keep it to one thread.

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They won’t be in SL, because stat scaling and SA are gone. However…

Lingering insanity still scales better than every talent on the row, because the other options don’t scale with mastery or voidform length. So it’s likely to overtake and stay ahead of the other options after the first tier.

Shadow word void is still the go to in all pve content, even moreso in SL alpha because of the dumb cooldown change I mentioned.

Dark ascension, while it might see play early on with how slow things are, still makes entering voidform naturally feel like garbage due to the immense cast time and 90 insanity threshold.

Surrender to madness in SL alpha is utterly pointless.

That’s two dead rows, and a third once shadow gets the VF stacks for li.