Stop trying to make Breath of Sindragosa work

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Like read this dumb rotation and think if this is a good way of playing the game…

  1. Use Obliterate if you are low on Runic Power (less than 30 RP).
  2. Use Remorseless Winter on cooldown.
  3. Use Soul Reaper on cooldown when the boss is below 35% health.
  4. Use Howling Blast, only if you have a Rime proc or Frost Fever is about to drop. Only use Howling Blast if you are above 30 Runic Power.
  5. Use Obliterate.
  6. Use Arcane Torrent if you are a Blood Elf, and it will not overcap your Runic Power.

The Breath of Sindragosa rotation is all about managing your Runic Power generation throughout the duration of your Breath. Your Runic Power drains at a rate of 17 per second, and you want to ensure this does not turn into a Runic Power deficit for long periods of time! The very first point to consider is the type of ability you use during your Breath. Never ever use an ability that costs Runic Power, as it will significantly reduce the duration of your Breath. Instead, you will pretty much only use Obliterate, Remorseless Winter, and Howling Blast with procs of Rime and when the target is low on health.

Before you initiate your Breath, you want to pool appropriate resources. For a Breath during Bloodlust, this will only be around 60 Runic Power. Non-lusted Breath requires more resources, and you should aim to go to 80+ and have 1-2 Runes before you enter the Breath.

The start of your Breath will generally be very easy to manage. You will pool resources beforehand and have all your cooldowns available to help with your resources. Furthermore, you use with your Breath to boost your initial Pillar window. Important to note here is to not blindly spam your Obliterate button. You can easily end up in scenarios where you have so many resources that you actually overcap on Runic Power and end up wasting it! Do not Obliterate if you are about to overcap on Runic Power and you have 3 or fewer Runes (in reality, we will overcap some Runic Power due to our very fast Rune recharge rate).

Once the initial resource-heavy phase is gone, you will start entering a region of potential Runic Power deficit. With good procs, you are fine and keep your Runic Power up, but with streaks of unlucky periods, your Runic Power will start to drop. This is the part where you want to actively manage your resource-generating cooldowns. Horn of Winter and Anti-Magic Shell. Horn of Winter should be used quite aggressively, allowing for a potential second use during the Breath. Try to use it as soon as you run out of Runes, and it will not overcap your Runic Power. Anti-Magic Shell should be used when you can soak up magic damage. Again, be quite aggressive to enable a potential second use, but also make sure the magic damage you soak is significant. Try to space out your cooldowns appropriately, and do not use them all at the same time. If used all together, you risk wasting resources.

In the final part of Breath, you are dropping further and further down. No resources cooldowns are left to use, and you just hope for good procs. Here, you will distinctly prioritize using Obliterate over Howling Blast with Rime, as well as Remorseless Winter and Soul Reaper. You want to optimize your Runic Power in the next GCD in the hope of getting potential procs. You can also consider using Death and Decay, which gives you 10 Runic Power for one more tick and potentially more procs. Also, make sure to really spam your buttons here so that any Rune proc is used up ASAP!

Finally, let us consider the scenario when you are forced out of range due to mechanics. In this scenario, it can be viable to spam Howling Blast to keep up your Breath! Try and make use of Anti-Magic Shell and Horn of Winter to avoid using Howling Blast since it is quite a waste of Runes to do it. Also, consider the extra Breath duration you gain by doing it. If your Breath is dropping 4-5 seconds after getting back to the boss anyway, using Howling Blast will end up being a waste. In short, if you are forced out of range early in your Breath window, use all the tools you can to keep it up. If it is late in the window, only use naked Howling Blasts if it will net you 5+ seconds or so of extra boss Breath uptime.

Wtf is this??? We are supposed to do all of this and still keep track of what the boss is throwing at us? This is not fun

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It’s not. It’s a stupid gimmick that further proves that they have no idea what to do with frost. What exactly is frost meant to be, compare it to let’s say the ret palading tree.

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BoS Delenda Est

The inception of BoS back in WoD has been a disastrous decision for the class, and i wish that the Dev that thought of it to step on a Lego.

Ever since wrath frost has been weaponstrikes, smashing those in melee range alike an avalanche. I 've written an entire book in forum posts about BoS in my last five and six years on this forum, about how idiotic it is on the entire class fantasy about the Frost DK.

i believe we have a monkey and the ladder problem on our hands, the devs designing classes might leave, and the new ones see the kit and think " oh…this ability seems interesting, i bet its beloved, so im going to keep it in"

accuracy of this statement is my own suspicion, given that many devs dont play the classes they design. Regardless its completely stupid, and i will forever be mad that BoS has ruined Frost Dk since it was meta and pushed hard during 90% of Legion

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I couldn’t agree more. It is ruining the spec just by existing. Honestly the best way to fix it is by putting cleaving strikes there and reverting frostscythe to its old version.

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Oh dont get me started on cleaving strikes, it should be on remorseless winter, not DnD.

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Have to agree. I really wonder why BoS has anything to do with dk other than name. It doesnt fulfill any class fantasy. Remove and think harder Blizzard

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Not a fan of BoS.

In raids especially there’s so much movement and forced downtime in some bosses it just doesn’t seem worth it, or it’s too punishing if you end up being the one chosen to perform a mechanic.

I think we need to go a step beyond that. Cleaving strikes regardless to what it’s attached to makes for really boring gameplay. We need a new system of cleaving.

Well I guess the Arthas raising Sindragosa as an undead frostwyrm is a relevant fantasy. If anything I would say it’s more relevant than the whole of blood spec and the San’layn which really felt alien when first introduced. Still doesn’t justify the clunky gameplay of BoS for sure.

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Honestly, i’d rather not see BoS as part of frost at all.
However if they’re so adamant on keeping it why not rework it?

  • BoS is now a standard CD ability for frost, which is ment for AoE/Utility.
    You stand still for 5 seconds and breathe frost at your enemies, which increasingly slows them until they’re rooted, dealing decent AoE damage. 2 Min CD.

Now it’s a ability that fits the theme of the Frost DK, a sudden avalanche and provides utility + damage.

  • Frost Talents changes it to work like it does now, with the exception it has a 30 sec CD and has a max uptime of 30 seconds.

Balance it around having 90-100% uptime, and suddenly you have something you feel you can use in M+, it doesn’t completely get wasted if a boss mechanic distrupts it and doesn’t make you feel you lost out on something if you get CC:ed in pvp.

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In name… the ability looks ridiculous… one could argue frostwyrms fury is a better comparison for your choice of words.

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Probably why they changed it to that, used to be called Sindragosa’s Fury I back in Legion I think. The undead frost dragon fantasy works, I find the execution terrible for sure though. BoS is just a messy blue cone and the gameplay is crap.

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