Same with sub.
Need cb and sb prebuffed, than cs, active trinket, sod, sd, er, evi, mark, evi. Only after that ss if you lack of dmg.
So it’s not “he oneshotting me in 2gcd” thing, as hunter for example (jokes on me, i never played mm and bm, sv only, so don’t know what i am saying). Also when you get chipshotted and see this rogue with shadowblades big debuff icon, it means it’s time ime to spend your def cd or trink & cc him, bad decision just “nah, i am fine”, as all kids of legion and bfa thinking.
So i am agree, that’s not 2 gcd to kill, it’s about reaction, that pve dragons don’t have at all, because dbm didn’t say what to do in this situation, so they just whine at forum.
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Yesterday i was theorycrafting a little bit with my subt mate. Actually, the fastest combo they can do is:
1 - Cheap shot
2 - Kyrian covenant skill
3 - Eviscerate
With 100% crit (from legendary power) and all their CDs up (death symbols, shadow dance, cold blood, etc) thats around 18-20k DMG in 3 globals. Probably the fastest opener they have for double DPS setups.
dont know why but i laughed way too hard at this 
you can add Drest’agath in the mix,especially when playing with that légendaire.
while we’re at it, throw Nightstalker and Dark Shadow talent for nuclear opener!!
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Thats exactly what is played right now. BTW, they can only do this one time per arena because of the CD of cold blod, shadow blades, etc.
The point is, this restriction doesn’t apply with the 100% crit legendary, since subt can oneshot without big CDs using it. This power needs a 45 sec / 60 sec cooldown to be balanced and avoid subts to open 2 times in a row to the same target.
The only nerf subt deserves, is an internal cooldown to this legendary in PvP environments, and a big nerf to PvE trinkets (ALL PvE trinkets, not only DMG trinkets, because there are some survability / tank trinkets in CN that are going to be a pain once the raid opens).
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All they need to do is nerf all bfa trinkets by 10% per level above 50 to disable them. Afaik the crit lego wasn’t bis once pve trinkets were nerfed
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Mmm, didn’t see the CN trinkets yet, yeah?
We have an amazing 11k DMG active trinket from MM first boss (yeah its MM, hard to do, bla bla, but is the FIRST boss), that can crit, and gives you a sprint that doesn’t break stealth. Already nerfed, for sure, but there are other good trinkets for burst in CN that would be a problem, not only the BfA trinkets.
Don’t believe they cause oneshotting scenarios though. just nerf them by more, pve trinkets shouldn’t exist in pvp. The fact drest is even a thing right now is stupid though.
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Played bg last night againts 3 hunters and 3 sub rogues was fun as only healer 
Its obviously broken when they can kill you in 3 sec stun …
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Please.
We need three hits.
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Tbh you only need Shd, Kyrian, Sob, MFD.
If 1 Evi crits its enough.
That is 3 GCD or 2 seconds.
Rogue needs ZERO ramp up time and can do that out of stealth every 45 seconds.
Cooldblood is not even needed, also only increases the whole CD stackig to 60 seconds.
If i hear such a poo “pre buffed SB”. What there is prebuffing pressing the button 1 second before you open ?
I as WW press 3 Seconds only CD buttons without doing any damage, mean while a Rogue already killed in that time frame with Kyrian and 2 Evi.
No, because if you don’t apply find weakness to your target Evis loses almost half its damage.
The third GCD (well the first one actually) has to be an opener spell. And btw people have a bit of health now and don’t die to Kyrian Evis. Need the second Evis too, for a 4th GCD.
We’re in such a poor, sad state !
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Because Cheap Shot does not ?
It does it does, I realize just now that I read your message very incorrectly while it is very clear, and even wrote BS as an answer. Maybe I wasn’t fully awake. These days are trying. My apologies.
Either way, we sadly do need the second Evis against most people now. Sad times !
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Problem is stacking damage modifiers that were overlooked by an incompetent development team. Otherwise Rogues are pretty fine. Toolkit feels great.
Sub deserve to be overpower, afterall it’s so hard to play this spec.
This must be rewarded.
Kyrian(sub rogue) is really overtuned atm,some people also abusing PvE trinket just to oneshot also need to fixed before the season start.
Maybe MFD for sub need an increase on CD aswell since we have dance for cc.
100% crit legendary might be also a problem early in the season.
Also it’s somehow haven’t 30sec cd share with theater trinket. And this is both trinket after nerfs, todays beta state.
“Legend about pve trinkets. Toxic vibes”
You mean hotfixes coming before every season since the beginning of every expansion? Yes, will things be perfectly balanced? No. But we’ll see changes.
Funny think is that Dest is still better than Mythic Scythe for example. I dont know how such a blunder came through that BFA trinkets didnt lost their effects at 55 or at least 60.
Like in all expansions before.
I think Finality will take over Master Assassin as the Season progresses.
In my opinion Shadow Duel needs to go with the CDR of ShD and MfD to 60 seconds again.
Even if not used currently Subterfuge to last 3 seconds but only giving you 1 ability. The reason is that the amount of bullpoo that gets you aut of stealth that applies automatic, while not active cast, like DK plagues is also out of hand.
Its fine that you can choose between dancing more often or dancing with more damage.
Increase Backstab & Rupture by a lot and Shadowstrike slightly. Increase duration of Shadow dance to 10 or 12 seconds, because Energy is what caps the damage/CC anyway. Kyrian from Arcane damge to Physical, buff the duration of the buff as compensation. If as physical still to strong tune accordingly.
The reason is to allow Rogues to burst but spread it more out over the whole dance instead of Kyrian Evi MfD Evi in a Cheap shot. That way you have more time to react but the Burst in a whole dance is almost unchanged.
I would even go as far as to put the energy regeneration of Shadow Technics back to SnD.
Maybe even put Kidney up to 30 seconds and then tune damage accordingly.
But my aim would be to re balance and not destroy but well its blizzard 
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Every noob can get r1 now as mm sub