Sub is broken

[Nová-nemesis]

@Jaki-blackrock

Funny think is that Dest is still better than Mythic Scythe for example. I dont know how such a blunder came through that BFA trinkets didnt lost their effects at 55 or at least 60.

Not sure but they should have been nerfed in beta,regardless is a meme that the old expansion trinket can take almost 50% hp of someone like nothing.
I hope when season start it get fixed.

@Jaki-blackrock

I think Finality will take over Master Assassin as the Season progresses.

The 100% crit will be OP or really strong early in the season and lose value once people get better stat,gear,renow hp % defensive conduit etc.
Im planning to use akaari soul.

@Jaki-blackrock

In my opinion Shadow Duel needs to go with the CDR of ShD and MfD to 60 seconds again.

Im not a fan of shadowy duel but not sure if remove it is a nice solution there is some counterplay to it ,tho sometime is really annoying to face i know.

MFD at 60 sec is resonable.

The CDR of dance can’t be removed until they make sub an actual spec without dance up 90% of the time sadly.

@Jaki-blackrock

Even if not used currently Subterfuge to last 3 seconds but only giving you 1 ability. The reason is that the amount of bullpoo that gets you aut of stealth that applies automatic, while not active cast, like DK plagues is also out of hand.

Not sure about this,i guess i got used to it too much maybe but yeah they can increase the duration if needed maybe but only give out 1 opener but yeah this one better see how things play out and i don’t see them changing it for now.

@Jaki-blackrock

Increase Backstab & Rupture by a lot and Shadowstrike slightly.

Rupture is useless really does no damage and backstab too,if they make the spec less relevant on dance this def need to happen.

@Jaki-blackrock

Kyrian from Arcane damge to Physical, buff the duration of the buff as compensation. If as physical still to strong tune accordingly.

Kyrian atm is the root of the problem imo,is just too much.
I will say it again but 45 sec cd(only),hit hard,give combo point,empower a finisher to 7 combo point,give almost 20% mastery for free,cost only 10 energy,is arcane damage so armor and BoP do nothing,can crit with symbol and of with Shadow blades hit even harder.
Making it physical might fix the problem or most of them.

This is why oneshot or close to oneshot happens,tho what people don’t understand and trigger me is what kill them.
They die to a sub rogue maybe trinket+kyrian so rogue is broken yet there are people like me that don’t play with kyrian or trinket and are oneshotting no one.
If they nerf rogue in general everyone might be forced to play kyrian just to stay relevant which is bad,now is my class next might be yours,it’s a bad mentality to complain without understanding the main issue.

@Jaki-blackrock

I would even go as far as to put the energy regeneration of Shadow Technics back to SnD.

Yes please it will make slice and dice relevant and also force the rogue to make a choice.
Do i want to try yolo burst or pop slice and dice to not go energy starved if my combo fail?just a simple example.

@Jaki-blackrock

The reason is to allow Rogues to burst but spread it more out over the whole dance instead of Kyrian Evi MfD Evi in a Cheap shot.

Not against it,i hate kyrian as much as everyone that getting killed in half cheap shot.
I just want sub to stay relevant and not dead like BFA.

@Jaki-blackrock

But my aim would be to re balance and not destroy but well its blizzard

Eh this is what people should aim for but yeah…

[Jaki-blackrock]

@Nová-nemesis

Im not a fan of shadowy duel but not sure if remove it is a nice solution there is some counterplay to it ,tho sometime is really annoying to face i know.

Its just another form of CC.

Its too op on like Healer Kidney>Sheep>Sheep>Blind>Shadow Duel.

While the mate finishes the target.

@Nová-nemesis

The CDR of dance can’t be removed until they make sub an actual spec without dance up 90% of the time sadly.

Hence the Rupture and BS buffs ?

[Lazerchicken-stormreaver]

The issue with Sub rogues is not how broken they are, it’s how easy it is to do what they do. 1 button dps rotation, spammable stun, every single damage modifier in stun opener and a dps cd outside the GCD.
I think it’s time for Cheapshot to hit the bench. Keep the damage, but even with DR, just spamming cheapshots while they do that 1 button rotation into evis is just diminishing to the rogue itself and to the people on the receiving end.

[Lazerchicken-stormreaver]

Defensive CDS don’t work when you get trippe DR cheapshot. If trinket, you get blind.
Sub rogues kill through 40% damage mitigation cooldowns.
Come to the real world.
Put cheapshot on a 10 sec cd and fix sub rogues.

[Jaki-blackrock]

@Lazerchicken-stormreaver

Put cheapshot on a 10 sec cd and fix sub rogues.

That does not fix the issue that is Kyrian ability and Master Assasin.

[Nová-nemesis]

@Lazerchicken-stormreaver

Put cheapshot on a 10 sec cd and fix sub rogues.

This is what i mean when people talk without understand the main issue or how a class work.

Cheap shot was not a problem in BFA when we had more dance charge and the CDR on dance was higher,which mean we had more uptime on dance and mor chance of spam cheap shot.

The problem is now because kyrian(mainly)allow the rogue to kill people in a cheap shot also people not respecting cooldowns.

Rogue have GCD too after cheap shot and as soon they use shadowstrike trinket and use something,as soon kyrian sub and PvE trinket are fixed you will have more time to react.

[Zarakî-kazzak]

So after nerfs sub can still 100-0 you in 2 seconds. Just how overturned was the class to begin with at release.

[Slashablade-burning-legion]

@Zarakî-kazzak

So after nerfs sub can still 100-0 you in 2 seconds. Just how overturned was the class to begin with at release.

yeah, if you have like 19k hp… and he has heroic skulker, if not - git gud

[Zarakî-kazzak]

What total BS , tell yourself whatever you want I don’t really care, Your class is broken …

[Zarakî-kazzak]

So envenom for 20K ? Are you going to address this Blizz?

[Nexintus-darksorrow (Nexintus)]

Can you show the screenshot of this in arena? I tested Assa and it was crap, had very little damage so if someone is doing 20k envenoms when mine were like 2-3k from what I recall, they must have some legendary or conduit I don’t. I didn’t have the doomblade legendary, but that’s an at most 10% buff to envenom that I know of.

[Zarakî-kazzak]

At 3:26 this happened to Venruki

SO MANY 1 SHOTS!! Shadowlands PvP is CRAZY Right Now

[Nexintus-darksorrow (Nexintus)]

I recognise this rogues name - he also played a gimmicky one shot build in bfa that I copied on an alt for a laugh. Heavy mastery stacking and then using nightstalker + crit lego on vanish to one shot with an empowered envenom.

Does seem pretty stupid but meh, doubt it would work in the long run. At least I can guess what he is doing though - still doesn’t really make assa viable imo.