as an 2956 xp , long time rog main, sub rog fanatic , i dont remember a worse design than this for sub rog.
I honestly dont know where to start…
Lets start with “danse macambre”; so i can think of , this feature for pve specific ,adds some dept to the rotation and makes it rewarding for a big secret rech hit, which is okay.In pve since you are attacking to npcs that always do the same scripted mechanics, all you need to do is to move your character to avoid the scripted mechanics,while doing the rotation.But in pvp its a completely different story.
Lets say my team makes a perfect set up with cross cc, i kidney kill target and after that kidney i have only 4 globals to press since kidney has a super short duration now.So what are my globals? Lets say i pre gauge the kill target for the go, i press shadow dance, kidney shot(i got 2stacks of macambre), shadow strike(to get find weakness), eviscrate with whatever combo points(eviscrate does not do damage at all so we are pressing it just to get the deeper buff for a big secret tech hit), echoing reprimend, secret tech with blue combo point.So in this rotation the only button that does damage is the “secret tech” other than that all the other globals are just getting pressed to stack danse macambre and buff secret tech.And remember you may not even able to press secret tech during a perfect set up if your enemies are stacking since your only spell that does damage also breaks your cc as well(???hello???).
As long as the enemy team rotates their trinkets and throw a random cc on me during my rotation, i end up doing 0 damage since there is no point pressing secret tech after shadow dance and other buffs fall.
I can only do this scary??? rotation in every 45 sec and out of that 45 sec , i am pretty much a burden to my team, since i have no damage or any sort of impact/help except a disarm outside of that rotation.
The meta is pretty wild and since the damage is way too much for the overall healing out put of the healers, it is not possible for my team to keep going as a 2v3 for a majority of a 3s game.And as you know in the current meta the games are mostly 1-2.5mins which is kinda not enough for a sub rog to go through enemy trinkets and defensives.
Playing around danse macambre and an aoe ability is awfull in pvp and its definitely not fun.I miss when this spec had a huge impact on the games with making set ups and having consistent goes.
Nobody asked for this horrible play style.In rated pvp there is not enough time to stack this horrible buff spending globals on useless abilities that does no damage, so i can maybe press a big secret tech.In rated pvp Everything happens super fast, most classes have insane damage even outside of their cds and nobody is a target dummy.
And since the cdr and rotten built is overnerfed its not even an option in rated 3s.
I almost have no hopes that one of the developers to see this post or even realize how bad it is to try to make sub rog work, but i just wanted to state my thoughts and disappointment.
Why don’t you play the SL Sub build that was all about spamming Shadowstrike after Dance like 10 times row? Or did the design change so much that its no longer possible?
there was and there is no such design “spam shadow strike”.The talent you mention was a talent thats been used for world pvp which has no use in arena gameplay.
Yes there is. Ofc you occasionally press Gloom and Evi but you can absolutely spam Shadowstrike and abuse even Vanish 2 times row for Subterfuge. The rotation is more tricky now than it was in SL, which is good.
And yes I rape Satan in 3v3 on US realms around 3K.
you have no clue what you are talkin about sir
If you can’t see for yourself what Im talking about then it is simply your failure of comprehension and brainwork.
There is no time or a situation where you can jerk it off in invis for 10 seconds since the bleeds or dots will prevent you to sit in invis.It is not possible to expect to kill someome in a lucky weapon master proc in a rated 3s game or solo shuffle.Also that dagger in the dark talent has been nerfed heavily back in shadowlands.It is pretty obvious that u have never played rated arena in your life and your non exisistent exp proves it as well.
i think you should go back to world pvp and leave the topic alone
Subterfuge + 2 Vanishes. We are done talking.
dance macabre and sec tech is horrible . and our evis damage is horrible too.
we are ST spec we know that. we cannot cleave like warrior or dh or ww easily.
they are outdamaging us with simple rotation. we need calculate and careful for dealing half of their damage. because even our ST damage is horrible.
people are crying about rogue is too strong but its not. assa is strong . sub is not.
our talent tree for pvp is really pathetic. right side is about shadow and finishers. left side is backstab power. and our mastery only increases finishers ( evis rupture sec tech and pvp talent) but still our finishers are weak.
and thanks to wow devs. new boots and trinket passive is directly nerf to us.
we need complete rework. thats it
yep the pvp trinkets with %5 cc reduction boots are a huge problem.One thing that was awesome about sub rog was ( after global combo point change) the felexibility of swapping targets on a go.Right now since you can no longer make a 3x cheap go, as after the first cheap u can only use 2 globals and after the second cheap shot , u need to press cheap shot again.Which means that u are basically wasting a dance doing no damage.I dunno who decided to give everyone relentless without realizing it just means a big nerf to sub rogs.
Sub rog really shouldnt be about playing around secret tech with stacking danse macambre, chasing a one shot.I am either one shotting someone or doing 0 damage.Nobody asked for this play style.
Absolutely agree. This is the worst sub rogue design I can remember over the past couple of years. They’ve turned it into a secret tech gimmick one-shot spec, and during most of the time you feel useless doing no damage. I am not enjoying my sub rogue at all, despite having all the best gear, tier set etc… the gameplay is not rewarding.
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