Skirmish does
I donāt know about those roguesā¦ Maybe itās because I am just casual nab pugging with randoms for fun and no voice but I play both disc priest and rogue between 1500-1600 mmr - maybe rogues just suck hard on those ratings me including(very possible) and are dangerous only when played by very skilled 2k+ exp people, but I had almost 0 issues against them as disc priest. Only Rogue+Mage with their insane opener killed us few times because pain supression canāt be activated from sap and I did not trinket it just to get blind and my partner died instantly. While on priest I have 29-19 w/l and no problem with most of rogues I meet - on my rogue on the other hand I had many bad games with w/l only 40%. To me rogue is just one trick class, if you donāt kill your target in 3-10 sec window you simply donāt kill it at all. Itās true I sometimes cheapshot-kill people, but when someone is good they just donāt let me to do it. If they see me cheapshotting them with blades on they just trinket in 0.2 sec and use all def CDs or stuns. My burst window is over and there will be no second chance soon(or never as duo dps). If itās not very fast kill during burst window itās simply death. I donāt know what kind of magic high mmr rogues do, but in my experience some people know what to do against it and some donāt. For example warriors Iāve met 1v1. Some of them = easy cheap shot kill and some of them = insta trinket into his def CDs and when my burst is over he is still 20-30% and kills meā¦ But I can imagine rogue can be extremly dangerous in right hands, right comp and with voice on. But for low mmr 2v2 pugs I donāt find rogue OP playing both him and against him. One mistake in rotation, one badly timed CC, countered burst window and rogue is done. Thing is you canāt save anything for later when playing against sub, have to burn every def CD possible to his burst even less than 1 sec into figh, after that his dmg outside of blades, dance and kyrian ability is gone. I am all for balancing, but if they nerf his burst too much there is nothing leftā¦
yea currently dying in literally 1 second to sub rogues as a windwalker. Sap then dead iām to old to react that fast. its a bit of a joke. I expect a nerf is incoming soon
A lot of rogues that I talk to actually want the old school rogue back, backstab only being used from behind (but actually hitting for more than 1% of their hp) we want hemorrhage to work as backstab does now (a simple filler for when we canāt backstab), a lot of us want 1 dance with the trade off that we actually deal at least decent DMG outside of dance. No passive that recharges dance. No shadowblades. Even tho a lot of people want preparation back I think it would be too strong. MAYBE make it a passive that just gives your vanish a second charge or something I dunno , just a random idea. Bottom line is. Old school sub rogue, pls, something that required a modicum of skill to play, not this whoever press the āI winā ability first wins meta. Itās fun for a bit but then you start to realise thatā¦ hang on this isnāt fair. And that goes for a lot of classes, not rogues only. Even though you feel more defenseless against a rogue since they have a lot of control built into their kit.
Thanks for coming to my tedtalk.
And while we are at it give gouge and dismantle back baseline 
The funniest thing about sub rogue is, that they are also overtuned in PvE.
They could basically nerf sub damage flat by 20% and it would still not be the last one on the dps leaderboard. 
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you forgot Faint and Elusiveness defensives. hahahaha this class man. Iāve been saying this since TBC. They were ALWAYS in top ranks. But now ā¦ itās ridiculous now
Just had a BG as 59 Paladin.
The same rogue kept killing everyone in our team, and we couldnāt do almost anything about it (we killed it a couple of times though, but it required a group and lots of CC).
Whatās with these rogues? Paladin is surely supposed to be able to survive a rogue a little bit, but every timeā¦
- Stun (of course, and of course canāt escape it)
- Three quick hits and my HP is like 10%, if that - probably doesnāt even take a full second
- Try to run away, use shield, defensives, etc. but of course itās too late.
Without divine shield, this rogue eats anyone immediately for breakfast, regardless of their level (I am 59).
If anything ever needed nerfing, itās this super OP class, and it needed nerfing way before Legion, so I donāt quite get what the nerfers are doing, did Blizzard fire them?
one shot macro for sub go kill them all in 3 sec
MACRO:
/castsequence reset=10 Cold Blood(PvP Talent),Shadow Blades,Cheap Shot,Shadow Dance,Symbols of Death,Echoing Reprimand,Eviscerate,Marked for Death,Eviscerate,Cheap ah and you still can use 2x echoing reprimand in this 3 sec
Itās still a MMO we canāt get everything day 1,one thing they can do is remove the new hp boost and gave it baseline so we can reach faster the point where the game is supposed to be balanced.
Also people still fail to understand that right now ER is still doing 60% hp they nerfed the conduit not the skill itself.
Regardless season started and rogue is not even the top class in 3vs3,still early sure but if we listen the outcry āIMPOSSIBLE TO COUNTERā one would think that rogue would double the amount of warriors.
And this are all kyrian so big eviscerate and ER imagine if kyrian was bad as venthyr one for rogues.
The plebs use a one shot macro ā¦ its patheticā¦
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Sadly blizz are turning a blind eye to it!
Our devs are so good
Yesterday, I was playing 3v3. We faced sub/sub/hpal. I pre-popped Barrier (w/ Dome of Light) and Pain Supp, and STILL dropped to 30% in both of the subās opener.
After that, it was semi fine, one of the sub rogues had died by the time my rapture and Desperate prayer was out, but I donāt think Arena should be anywhere close to this bursty.
Itās not just rogues either, really. My mate plays Unholy DK, and when we open with PI + Dark Evangelism on him Iāve watched him repeatedly grab and actually just delete 3 people from 100% in under 5s.
Iāve been globalled before through Pain Supp by a Feral too, so yeah.
These days just pain Supp isnāt enough, you gotta prepop barrier too and go into rapture right away or you just die. This is asinine.
I play enhance only. It wasnt viable whole bfa, so i didnt play. Why does that make you mad tho i dont know lol.
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