I just lectured another guy above about false equivalence. I cannot be bothered to repeat myself.
I’m going to go play Against the Storm now, which is a wonderful city builder that was just recently released, and you can pick it up on Steam for €19.49 right now. It doesn’t require a subscription, there’s no Online Store, and you don’t have to sign up for Amazon Prime either.
Nice chat. 
You just can’t admit you’re wrong, lmao.
Good old Jito, never change. The PvP forums surely were special back in the days.
Says Jito, lmao.
Who knows what a false equivalence is, and therefore feels like he’s talking to a child who has yet to learn it in school.
Fact is that WoW is one of the cheaper forms of entertainment to exist. No matter how much you argue that it’s not.
Have a nice night.
Thats relative isnt it. you are paying for access to the game for basically 24 hours every day? is there any other form of entertainment you can buy for 240 for 2 whole years?
No it’s not.
That’s right.
Approximately 99.99% of all video games that exist, I would say.
You said it yourself: You’re paying for access.
Most other video games don’t require you to pay for that.
You’re paying those hundreds and hundreds of euros for something that other games give you for free – access to the game that you have already paid for.
Blizzard charges you a minimum of €270 to access the latest WoW expansion throughout its 2 year lifespan.
That’s the cost of enjoying that one game for its relevant time period.
For €270 you can buy 5-6 premium triple A games or dozens upon dozens of award-winning indie games, let alone entire libraries of games through other game subscriptions for just as long.
WoW is expensive. End of story. The subscription is super expensive. It’s €13 for 1 month of access to 1 single game which you don’t even have ownership of. Humble Choice is €11 every month and you get like 7-8 solid games that are yours to own, and some of the money even goes to charity!
Saying that WoW is cheap, let alone that the subscription is, is ridiculous when held up against how much gaming you can get elsewhere for the amount of money you give to Blizzard for being able to experience the latest WoW expansion.
Only on the WoW forums will you find gamers argue that Blizzard games are a bargain.
Taiwan used to have hourly game time but that option has been removed for some time now.
I don’t think they’ll be willing to add it here, it’s not really a model that attracts lots of players.
I cancelled my Netflix sub because it has nothing worth watching, my money is better spent on Crunchyroll.
It is because you can’t expect truffles and watermelons to cost the same even if they’re both food.
Give me another game with such a big world full of quests (and not just the same 20 enemies like some open world games), updates every 3 months, 13 classes and 39 specs, over 14 playable races, dungeons, raids and PvP.
Now you could say truffles taste like cardboard even if they’re overpriced, and you can go spend 2 years in a sandbox game or a procedurally generated game or even a MOBA which are dirt cheap or even free to play.
Yes the onus is on Blizzard to justify the price, but if people are willing to pay because the game is good enough then they can profit.
Yes, Youtube is 5€ per month and HBO is 4€.
There is a recurring argument that WoW is cheap if you play 4 hours a day.
I don’t think that’s healthy in any ways of meaning that.
It isn’t just too much. It means you have little to no other means of entertainment experience.
Short bursts it’s okay, but 4 hours a week is much healthier.
And OP is about this. When someone’s life isn’t about WoW.
Gaming can be more or less expensive, depending on how much do you play said games, and whether you purchase during sale.
Commitment bias helps to prevent identity crisis.
Imagine the consequences of realizing it’s expensive - deciding to stop. It means all their investments, collections, effort was a waste, and means nothing. It’s worse than the virtual pixels argument.
By the way I think the sub is a dirty tactic that actually works.
It makes people play more, which is the point in an MMO. I have no actual reason to log in to any other game daily. However, WoW is binary. You are either using it or not.
No, but I can still recognize that truffles are expensive.
And people who eat truffles will recognize that they’re paying a premium price for a connoisseur type of delicacy.
No one is going to argue that a truffle is cheap or a bargain.
The analogy is of course that WoW is the truffle. It may be delicious, it may be rare, it may be for the finest dining experience, but it’s still expensive.
Like I said in my initial post, then this is why it is the way it is.
If you’ve had economics, then this is Porter’s 4 P’s. That which companies will market their games on:
Price
Product
Place
Promotion
Lots of video games compete on price and try to gain a market advantage by selling their game for a penny or having great deals. That’s not WoW. That’s not Blizzard.
Lots of video games compete on place. Availability. Steam. EPIC. GOG. EU. US. China. Everywhere! Translated to 30 languages! Mobile! That’s a way of competing on place. Blizzard does this. They compete on place. Lots of regions, lots of languages.
Promotion. That’s sheer advertisement. You may not have a strong product, but if you advertise it enough, then you can carry sales that way. Raid: Shadow Legends is a good example of that. You’ve seen the advertisements I’m sure.
And then there’s product. The quality of the thing you sell. Luxury brands focus on product. They don’t care if their handbag costs $10.000, it’s an exclusive one-of-a-kind designer handbag and there’s an audience of filthy rich people who are willing to pay that amount of money for it.
Apple does this. It’s all about the product. Devout fans will queue up in front of the store to pay a premium price for a decent product, but it’s Apple so they buy it without question.
Blizzard does this. They sell their games on the product. The Blizzard brand. The high-quality game design. And the loyal fanbase dutifully turns up for every game and puts down the money, no matter how much it is.
Blizzard chooses a business strategy with a product focus, and their customers are people who are focused on that as well, so obviously they hand over the money with no questions asked, because they’re not here for a good deal or big savings – they’re here for a good product, and that’s what Blizzard are selling them. That’s the market niche Blizzard have cut out for themselves.
None of that however changes the fact that Blizzard’s products are still expensive!!
I hate it, personally.
I’m at the point in my appetite for Dragonflight where I would not mind playing it 6-8 days spread out across 2-3 months, but it’s very hard to harmonize that kind of sporadic play pattern with Blizzard’s very long, structured, and very committed subscription plans. They basically all feel like they’re ripping me off as far as what I’m looking to buy versus what’s on offer.
Lmao, you what. It’s 10€ per month.
On top of that they’ve only had: Killjoys, game of thrones, westworld, the walking dead and deadwood, that have been worth watching.
In that case, everything is “expensive”. Can you believe how much money I spend on milk or bread IF I total it to yearly? 
Again, throwing in unrelated comparisons like milk and bread or karaoke boxes and movie tickets and whatever else people have done in this thread:
It’s a false equivalence.
And I’m getting a bit tired of having to repeat that. 
How its a false equivalence? WoW is a product like any other. Be it digital or “physical”.
I understand that you are no “Blizzard’s fan” but perhaps try looking from a neutral standpoint without the anti-blizz bias?
Forgive me Lynlia, but at 2 'o clock at night I’m not going to do the same classroom lecture for the 3rd or 4th time today when you can just look up the answer to that question on google or YouTube.
Look up what? You simply want to argue and hate on Blizzard. If 300€ over 2! years is “pretty expensive”, get a better paying job…
Didnt ask for one nor I require for some random internet Joe to write 5 paragraphs using some economic theory or whatever…on the subject “If this video game is expensive or not”.
