Suggestion to improve drops

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So ye drops being a hot topic atm, i gave it some thought.
And heres my idea.
First would be to implement the 3 bonus rolls per week.
I don’t think vendor is a good idea, i don’t think nerfing pvps loot atm is a good idea either.

I would even be on ppls side to add a pvp stat that useless for pve but mandatory in pvp, just to offset this whole “farm easy conquest to get free 200ilvl pieces.”

Adding the bonus rolls per week would give you more chances on loot in the raid or mythic dungeon you’re doing.
You could also add so the bonus roll coin is able to reroll the vault loot, for 1 row.
So it wouldn’t reroll all your 3 mythic dungeon options, but it could reroll 1 of them.
If you did a 14+ mythic dungeon, you got a 226 wrist, but already had a 220, you could reroll it up to 3 times if you wanna spend all your coins on it.

And ofcourse you can’t save up coins or anything, theres a maximum of 3 ways to get them, they only reset if you do not have a coin already.

This could give you many extra ways to get more loot and more meaningful loot.
As this would solve the issue of not being able to target loot, getting useless vault drops etc etc.

And we do not need to add a vendor or have some complex currency system.
As with mythic dungeons they all have varying ilvl rewards for their varying difficulties etc. I think vendor is not the way to go for pve. So i believe my above mentioned suggestion would fix this.
And we don’t need to kick pvpers in the nuts for it by nerfing their way of getting loot. Because i think pvps way of gearing atm is actually a good system, even tho myself hit 1400 max, so im not riding around in 226 pvp gear doing pve.

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So add back the very thing they just took away to slow it down?

:man_facepalming:

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They removed the bonus rolls for a reason…not sure what they could have been…but its rare for bliz to go back on a decision…well, within decade atleast.

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Yes as it clearly did not work.
But was that the only thing they took away? I did not play BFA or Legion.
I played WoD and everything before.

I really liked it in MoP and WoD.

Thing is, it doesn’t have to be 3 bonus rolls, can be 1 or 2 etc.

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Because its working well right ? You have a ton of people deserting raids and m+'s and doing PVP instead because it actually feels rewarding

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It clearly did work. They intended to slow down gearing, thats exactly what happened.

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And they’re going back on it because it’s not working for the players except a minority that you are part of

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How are they going back on it?

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They’re adding whatever systems they are working on which will help.

And once subs dwindles (which they will) they will go back to previous expansion drop rates

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Okey let me rephrase. Yes it worked with slowing down.

What i meant tho, is that it didn’t work to fix the loot system.
Before it was massloot but non of it meant anything, because it lacked X or Y bonus on it like socket or “warforged.”

But now they just took away warforged and heavily reduced droprates.
However loot has not become more “meaningful” as you can still get lots of bad items that are better because secondary stats are less usefull. But you can still end up with 20ilvls higher, all with wrong secondaries.

Kinda like my char, i lack alot of haste, but all the items were better because ilvl.

And Farwin is right, they’re adding more ways to get loot, or going to improve loot system.
This is my suggestion rather than nerfing pvp drops or giving us a vendor.

to explain “bad items but better.” It’s just that since main stats are more important, the item with wrong secondaries, that you would usually say is a bad item, is now better just because that.
When you hit like mythic items, the wrong secondaries are now just bad items, because now you will look for bis secondaries.

They’re only better aslong as they are higher ilvls

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Just add pve vendor or make drop rate like bfa
That’s it

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This won’t solve anything and will just make it more complex.
You’re basically adding a vendor system to content that is already dropping items.

This works for pvp, because an arena can’t drop you a conquest item.
But raid and mythics can.

It’s much better to just improve the loot system by higher droprates or bonus rolls, than to add a vendor.

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All we know if they’re “looking at it” and this could well be for raids alone. it could be something to do with the 210 ilevel drops in M+ and nothing to do with frequency.

Anything beyond that is speculation. As is the point “once the sub dwindles, they’ll go back to BFA drop rates”. You have no proof of either of those things happening.

People are still running dungeons and raids, just take a look in groupfinder. Now think about the groups which aren’t listed in there. There’s a lot. The idea the subs are dwindling because of PvE drop rates to a point where the system will collapse and force blizzard’s hand is laughable.

Blizzard said they want to reduce drop rates, so they did, and the players now go “drop rates are less, what?” Working as intended.

The only issue that remains in my mind is m+ should award higher loot in drops than 210, but this should require higher keys. Also the scaling in M+ needs to be looked at the ilevel dropping compared to difficulty of key is a bit off, but the frequency of drops clearly isn’t an issue as players are reaching higher ilevels through pve, it’s just taking them more than 2 weeks to acheive (blizzard’s intention).

Another issue is people keep ignoring drops with “bad secondaries” or “not BIS”, a drop is a drop. You can’t complain the system is giving you nothing if it is, but you don’t like the items it drops, those are two different issues.

And before the reply of “well pvpers can choose their bis” No. False. We can choose some of our BIS dependant upon our covenant. My BIS stats are crit/vers as Hpala with my build. I cannot purchase through any means in PvP a one-handed weapon, a chest, legs with critical strike on it with my current covenant, so I have to make do with my next best secondary. It’s not the end of the world.

Maybe I will go for the bis secondaries when my ilevel higher. That’s generally when one starts mix maxing their secondaries anyway. These people who look to mix/max their secondaries when they’re barely 200ilevel is ridiculous. Utter waste of time given a 213 item for example with garbo secondaries will kick the crap out of a bis lower item. Save that crap for when it’s the only way to achieve an upgrade, but ignoring higher loot at the lower range because of secondary snobbery is madness.

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Wotlk had a similar system and it was good

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Ye doing like 20+ or 30 heroics in order to buy an armor piece was amazingly fun.

Wanna know something else tho, it was only as good as the lowest difficult raiding.
So if we going with Wotlk system it would only sell you 200ilvl pieces.

Which wouldn’t help at all, since you can already get a full set of 197 armor from your covenant story.

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