literally no one is refusing to accept this is happening.
dude brought emotions and subjective view to a fact fight. way to go gumshoes.
your points are easily refuted by thousands upon thousands of people bleeding time for their presious little tcg pixels.
3rd party resellers derive their price from availability and demand. it is not like their word is law. of course they will drive up the price by gouging and testing as high as they possibly can. go educate yourself on the dynamics, please. the vast majority of people trading in discord and forums have always ignored 3rd party sites. why you keep bringing them up constantly as a main factor when they are just a side product is beyond me. I donât mind if they go down (and I hope blizzard gets past fomo, making everyhting available to players again as they should, including scarab mounts, gladiator mounts etc.) but maybe take that anti reseller fetish elswhere. it is pointless and does not ad value to the discussion
I keep bringing them up because the claim is that these items required âeffortâ to obtain. An âeffortâ that is made obsolete by adding them as at twitch-drop.
Meaning there was always a one-click way to get them - just as there will be now. Only cheaper.
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Just name the time and the place.
Not âat one timeâ
You could always swipe your creditcard to get these mounts. Meaning that the âeffortâ claimed to obtain these was always invalidated by those who chose to do just that. There was always a way to get these quick and easy.
This is no different. The only difference is that now thereâs no need to pay $1500 (or more)
âwell, actuallyâŚâ - just no. there has always been the possibility to swipe your card and spend absurd amount on a spectral. technically true. but please, for all that is holy, stop grappling on that straw in a futile attempt to keep saying âtechnically I am rightâ - MOST, MOST people ignored the 3rd party sites and traded tcg items for gold. they did so ever since items can be traded directly, and they did so bevor with codes (in case they got lucky not getting scammed with made up ones). there have always been seem lunatics who payed real money. those are the very exception.
I think that deliberately ignores the players who have their TCG items because they are long-time WoW players who also bought the TCG cards back when they were available, and who were lucky to get some of the loot cards, and who feel a sense of ownership in having these TCG items because they actually played back then and bought the cards and were lucky on their pack openings.
A lot of that âhad to be thereâ is still recognized in the game, be it server first titles, gladiator mounts, or other promotional items or rewards.
And thereâs certainly a strong argument to be made for making all those things available to players again â and thatâs an argument I wholeheartedly support â but it ought to be done the right way.
And just peddling these TCG items that some players have had strong attachments to for many years as cheap twitch promotions, is kind of a middle finger to those players.
They really get to be the giant losers in all of this.
Again, thereâs a strong argument to be made that these things should be made available again, and therefore these players whoâve enjoyed a degree of exclusivity for so many years will have to give it up. It is what it is.
But it has to happen the right way.
And thatâs not through a twitch promotion.
That just dilutes the value of these items from a point of desirability to a point of uselessness.
Thatâs a waste.
If Blizzard had any decency as game developers, then they would recognize the history and weight of these TCG items and instead make them available through some memorable in-game activities, so that they still feel special to acquire and have.
If you are someone who places such high value in those old TCG mounts I doubt very much a quest line or in game activity will placate that sense of loss. Not that I personally subscribe to scratch card mounts are historical or weighty in value, but regardless people who value these do so because they are rare.
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quests or events, spiced up with the outlook of earning a tcg item would be much, much more preferable over having it a twitch drop. though blizzard has started adding those to the trading post, so they apparently are more inclined to that avenue.
Speaking from personal experience, I did the winterspring frostsaber grind back in Vanilla. It was excruciating and few managed to do it.
With Cataclysm, I think, Blizzard changed it so you just had to complete a somewhat simple questline over a bunch of days in order to earn the mount.
I was okay with that.
I lost the exclusivity of having a mount that only a no-life person would have.
But I felt it was reasonable that it should be more accessible to other players.
And that the way Blizzard went about it, by emphasizing the story and the personal bond, made for a really good game experience.
So there was a benefit to it. I lost some personal exclusivity, but the game got a cool questline and was better for it.
Good.
This is different.
These twitch promotions donât make the game better.
They donât make the TCG items any different either. Theyâre still promotional items that you either got when you could, or you have to buy second-hand.
And they just screw over the exclusivity of the players who had the TCG items in order to offer them as a freebie to everyone else, which just makes them worthless +1 additions to peopleâs collections and little else.
Itâs a waste.
Itâs a waste because Blizzard could do so much better.
Yet they deliberately do not.
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I donât have any strong feelings like you do about twitch drops. They help drum up hype and interest.
Recycling an old model, especially from TCG, is good use for that, to me. To others it wonât be. And thatâs fine, people are bound to have different feelings.
itâs just that one opinion is not like the other.
one has severe flaws, alienating a significant amount of players unnecessarily, âbut personally, I guess, I donât mind it that muchâ.
the other is constructively trying to find better alternatives and is balancing pros and cons.
saying both are equal is a fallacy.
According to https://www.dataforazeroth.com, about 0,5% of the playerbase has the mount that will be given out as a twitch-promotion.
99,5% of the playerbase does not have it.
Practically giving a $1500 mount to almost your entire playerbase is somehow a bad thing? I would say its the opposite.
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No they are just opinions. There is no right or wrong.
I may not agree with Jito for example but I can understand why he feels the way he does.
That is a strawman and you know it.
LMAO what? You want us to pay a streamer to get a pet? Are you outta your mind? That is hilarious. Put the pet in the shop and stop making a fool out of yourselves. Clowns 
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I honestly donât think they do.
I mean, who in the gaming community that visits twitch doesnât recognize this kind of company bribery to inflate numbers? Itâs not like it hasnât been done before.
And your feeling is what, apathy?
Like, be honest, are you going to use the mount for any notable amount of time? Or is it just going to be another +1 in the collection?
Itâs the latter, isnât it? Because thatâs the way itâs been with the other TCG items. People get them, try them once, look at them, and proceed to never ever use them again.
Because theyâre worthless. Theyâre cheap twitch freebies. Everyone has them. And theyâre old models. Nothing special now.
So you donât really get anything, because you have no care for it besides the +1 in your mount collection.
Alas why I say itâs a waste.
If Blizzard had made the acquisition more meaningful, maybe through a hard encounter or epic questline, then the mount reward would be too.
But because the acquisition is a worthless twitch promotion, then the mount reward also becomes worthless.
Thatâs how it typically is in WoW. We assign value to the rewards that we have acquired in meaningful and memorable ways.
Thatâs what makes them special.
Itâs about the journey, not the destination. Weâre playing a fantasy adventure after all. Blizzard just forgets that sometimes and thinks handing us the treasure for free will make it equally rewarding.
But it doesnât.
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rare and valued tcg items dumped down to a twitch drop is not 1+1=1 wrong. But it is wrong in that it has a lot more arguments against then in favor to it.
Cool, always wanted the ghastly charger. The only tcg mount i ever pulled from a pack was amani dragonhawk
As I said my feeling is this is a win for the community. I canât really keep repeating the same thing over and over. My view has not changed.
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