Survivability

Eat this Shamans!

I love it. Please share whatever this guy is taking. I want some…

Menek! How can You even call this a ‘skill talent’ . This is some type of utility used for raising a raid every 30min - 1h after a wipe.

Let’s compare it to the the real defensive talent like Mage’s “Ice block”

Ankh:

Pros:

  • Allows you to revive your self and continue playing
  • Allows you to soak unavoidable damage but it cost you a death and then you can revive your self.
  • You are immune to any damage when you are dead… aaaaa maybe its too far.

Cons:

  • 30min - 1h cd, too long
  • Due to long cd, used only for boss encounters. Unusable on packs in m+ as shaman’s want to keep it for more important fights (bosses).
  • CD doesn’t reset like Bloodlust. If you learning boss mechanics you will not use it, but once you use it you loosing a ‘talent’ for too long time.
  • You loose all buffs after revival
  • Every death costs you losing armor durability, so even if you are going to reduce cd of the Ankh then at the end of the instance shamans equipment will be ‘red’
  • You are revived with 20% of HP only
  • Due to low health after revival very high chance of dying instantly on the spot.
  • Works only in PVE, doesn’t work on PVP arena, works once on BG (if you have cd) but with 20% HP and without any buffs… oh boy it is just a free kill for the enemy.

Ice Block

Cons:

  • Dispellable by priests

Pros:

  • Makes you immune to any incoming damage for the time of ice block lasts
  • You can decide for how long this defensive lasts as well (you can make it last shorter in PVP situation)
  • Not dispellable by anything in PVE
  • 4min cd. You can ‘ankh’ 7-15 times more comparing to ankh
  • You can wait long enough to reset you cds, wait mechanic will end, safely soak and use for example a blink to run away from dangerous zone (shamans ghost wolf has to run from the spot and it always gets a fatal hit when you have 20% of life).
  • You can be healed when in Ice block (Try to heal dead shaman)
  • Because of low cd you can use it in all PVE situations. Encountering a bosses, mobs between bosses, mythic+ packs and bosses
  • You don’t loose your buffs.
  • Can be used in PVP battlegrounds and arenas

Additionally because of lack of survivabilty Shaman’s have to play super safe - they are in the mele range so there’s no time to react even - forcing them to stop their DPS and as a result it is often at the bottom of DPS chart. I’ve done some mythics 20+ and near a 100 of 15+ mythics and I can tell that with my current gear which is 476 equipped I am limited to around 80k dps in total when mages, hunters with same item lvl can do up to 120k in total. (Mostly because of a corruption system where Shaman’ classes can’t ‘take’ the damage from it because the lack of survivability spells. Other classes can pop defensives or just run away. This disproportion is huge! It looks like Shaman needs 50% dps buff to just be equal.

What’s wrong with you Blizzard? Every class (and not only Shamans) are complaining about Shaman’s survivability and you don’t see it!

Response like ‘We are happy with Shaman’s survivability’ is insane. Whole community is not happy, not only Shaman’s.

We need another defensive spells which can be used in PVP as well.
All tweaks has to be made for the whole item level range and not only for the ‘end content’ items as we want to have a fun getting this gear. When we already have it and we can compete with other classes then new expansion is coming and all issues raises again and again.

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dude nobody plays enhancement except ion, leave this dead spec alone to rest in peace.

One more word to Menek.

From what you are saying it looks like ‘Ankh’ is so powerfull and overpowered that other defensives are not even being considered. Please nerf us with this change: Replace Ankh with reducing ‘Astral Shift’ CD by half.

Ion only plays Resto

To be honest, when looking how fast shamans are melted down while wearing mail in comparison with classes that were cloth, they should make astral shift a permanent passive effect. Look at mages, priests, warlocks … they are tanks in comparison to shamans … lol

The only reason it is like it is is that we don’t annoy Blizzard enough with this matter. The whole concept of making classes for PVE and then making tweaks for PVP is missed. Why? Because you have to tweak all classes to fit the content instead of tweaking content to classes. It should be well balanced for PVP first and then tweaked for PVE content which can demand specific skills from players. You could even then create PVP bosses where you have to use your crowd control skills to survive encounter instead of making kicking a ball around a boss… No damage reduction, no additional talents, no annoying switches, no getting double gear with different stats, etc.

Man, Blizzard should hire you!! It would be really fantastic to create PVE content in which you need your PVP skills (e.g. defensives, crowd control etc…). As you say, you only need one set of gear. It would also eliminate the never-ending conflict between PVP and PVE players regarding gearing. Here you would need one set of gear, independent whether it is acquired from PVE or PVP and you can just switch between PVP and PVE depending on what you are in the mood for doing. That would generate much more incentive to play both. Often if I go for one ( lets say PVE), I don’t want o switch over to PVP because I don’t want to start from scratch collecting gear - and vice versa.

Yeah, that’s so sad. I read a blue post recently in which a guy complained about this and asked whether he has to spam forums to be heard. And Blizzard answered saying that people shouldn’t spam, and they will read all posts, and even act on a single constructive post. That was a big fat lie. If you look actually on what feedback Blizzard is acting on, they only hear the loud and hysterics. All the topics blizzard react to are issues about which people just start spamming the US forum. They don’t even read EU forum.

There was a bug which prevents a switch of posting char to my main. But works now and here I am as my main (Defik was my main 4 years ago). Ta da !

They don’t even read EU forum.

Yeaaa… It is our tube to nowhere.

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