Why would anyone ever think she was a good undead living being?
She was good in her original life.
She was Mindcontrolled by Arthas for a time being.
After she managed to lose mind control she went all Illidan Stormrage wrath mode.
She is very calculating since she became undead.
Never thought once that she was just a good character with a “so sad story”.
Turning Undead and dying a few times with coming back alive probably mentally corrupted her so i never trusted her fully to begin with.
Also remember when we saw her talking to Heliya about that Lamp she didn’t gave a single F about her "champion"s trapped in afterlife situation.
But i guess she is still better than Tyrande if it comes to personality traits.
I’ve always felt like Sylvanas story arc should have ended with Icecrown/Edge of Night. It was a fitting conclusion to her character, and it is from there that things have just gotten progressivly worse.
It was. Now there’s no question that The Gods don’t care about us. We are nothing.
She is not evil. The machine of death is broken. It has been for thousands of years. The entire shadowlands structure, the one we are going to join - that’s evil. The Jailer was betrayed. Azeroth has been betrayed. Everything we currently believe is good actually is not. We have been lied to.
We will definitely fight Sylvanas in the Shadowlands. Probably the Jailer too. But currently with everything I’ve heard about WoW’s world, I am more inclined to side with everyone opposing the titans and the world structure.
Sylvanas is not just not a villain, she is completely right in all of her actions. The covenants of the Shadowlands have been stealing souls from the Maw for 10,000 years. The machine of death was broken (could be Uther’s spite breaking it), and then Sylvanas found a way to restore the Maw. We will be doing the same to the other covenants. She found that everyone has to die. But is it truly death? You just go on and live in the Shadowlands.
Fun fact - ARTHAS is not a villain, either. This was more or less revealed in the Bastion animation. We found out his soul is uncorrupted and he was supposed to go to Bastion. However, Uther and Devos’ spite (probably) broke the machine of death. And thus, Uther set everything in motion. If you’re looking for your villain, I’d look at him.
She wasn’t exactly evil, but she was cunning indeed. She’s like Draco Malfoy.
After WOTLK she changed and became very very different. Her beliefs that New raised undead should be given a choice, is gone. Because now she raised who she wants without a choice just like Arthas did. The old sylvanas hated Arthas and tried to build a army of undead through choice, now she’s worse than Arthas.
So personally I don’t think she was always evil. She’s was just cunning and competitive. That’s how I see it.
Not even sorry Neraryon, : She was showing huge sign of a sociopath and was not even good in her former life time, she did before it was retconned use her sisters rangers and her armies sacrificing them and seeing them as arrows in a quiver to be used for her innapropriate, extremely dangerous and stupid plan of fighting the scourge instead of any decent plan like evacuating any and the most high elfs/now known as Sin’dorei/Blood elves before the plan backfired as it would fighting hazardous undeads legion and she too was killed and transformed into higher undead status: banshee in her case.
It is just that , the story of one of the worst character who ever lived azeroth and loved no one not even her former fellow citizens and brother/sisters in arm.
In the history of every war soldiers when they had a small graded officer too hasty to get them killed, would frag it: toss a grenade/kill him in any ways to ensure there survival.
Sylvanas wasn’t forced to develop a new undeath plague which ended up being used in the wrathgate with or without her orders.
That’s at best morally grey, not just cunning and competitive. Just because it’s aimed at an enemy doesn’t excuse the means used.
Before wotlk it was aimed at the scourge, and afterward they targeted the living. I’m fairly sure we killed plenty of npcs for less than what the forsaken did in WoW… The human farms were not exactly the definition of a honorable ans rightful territorial dispute
Bad writers messed up, pretty much. It’ll be hard for them to retcon it.
It’s ok that she’s a big evil, but she never needed to be evil. Writers who are inexperienced in life aren’t going to write a decent character, ever, and that’s evident with Sylvanas.
Seems like Shadowlands, thus far, are bringing back a lot of old school lore characters, and I fear how they are going to soil their legacies.
i think all the people that complain about lore and her story being ruined don’t really seem to know her actual story and character and how she’s been acting over the years… i’d laugh but it’s actually sad how much bad reception all of this got. I’m personally enjoying how her story is going even if i don’t agree with her choices…real characters aren’t perfect but that’s what got all the fanboys mad in the first place, oh no she’s not supposed to be like this…
it’s not stated anywhere that his soul would have gotten to Bastion? Just because they went to get him when they shouldn’t have doesn’t mean he was meant to go to Bastion. I have no idea where you pulled that from.
Ah ok i didn’t remember it that far behind but thanks for the refresh of info. Well i guess two elfen females will go nuts in SL I’m guessing so far that Tyrande will do something horrible and Sylvanas will have some kind of realy weird definition of plan with questionable morals?
Something like that. Didn’t want to spoiler myself too much.
In my opinion the reasons don’t matter. Someone who causes so much suffering and destruction can never be redeemed. How can she claim she will free us, when she litterally murders unimaginable amounts of people for the jailor? Literally sending them to eternal prison. Nice concept of freedom she has.
I don’t care if they turn it around and give us a “reason”/“justification”. Nothing can justify what she has done. I’d rather be an insignificant blob in the grand scheme of things than have someone fight for my “freedom” by committing genocide.
The fact that they were able to take his soul means he was already judged to go to Bastion. Otherwise they wouldn’t have been able to go and collect it. In fact, this is probably why Devos didn’t want his soul to go through the proper channels, because she knew it was going to go to Bastion.
So you acknowledge she is an undead emotionless husk, yet you want her to show mercy and empathy and be kind?
That makes less sense than her “the end justifies the mean” personality.
Oh boo hoo my lore character is evil so I am randomly going to slate the games PVP and gameplay at the same time because that makes sense.
