Could you tell me what it actually achieved though? Nothing of merit came out of burning down Teldrassil.
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It is a game (it’s not real life), yes I support the fabulous work our Warchief is doing.
It’s a game (it’s not real life) and I love how men don’t exist and it’s women and children only in that tree. Also women are now these feeble things that can’t fight. I think Tyrande would like a word with you.
I do worry about the story telling if you need that explaining. The whole point was to strike a blow to the Alliance. That traitor Saurfang was supposed to finish of Malfurion but he bailed. So instead she struck a blow by burning down Teldrassil, this was clearly not planned but one must adapt. I thought it was a genius move myself. Now she created the division she intended. Tyrande demanding action taken against the Horde and Anduin unable to assist because they are already stretched too thin. The Worgen’s lost what is essentially their second home too and this created more descent within the Alliance ranks.
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Irl no…in a fantasy game…yes…playing the antagonist is interesting to some.
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Oh, do you wanna say that I can’t distinguish game from real life or what? So you support it only because you can be ingame whatever you want but know that it is wrong, right? So you do it for the lols.
How do you feel about the countless quilboars, murlocks, knolls and all the other sentient cannon fodder you killed during your adventures in Azeroth?
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Bad but as Druid I have to hold the balance.
Yes…it appears you can’t.
So if I want a good Horde i can’t do it?
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But there is no division? At least not from what we can see in the narrative right now. Like I posted earlier, her burning Teldrassil just lead to the Horde being on the losing side in the story. The Undercity was lost, the Night Elves wage a guerilla war by themselves with the help of the Gilneans, and we lost the Battle for Dazarálor with Rastakhan dying. From what I can see Teldrassil didn’t actually accomplish anything other than fully set the war in motion.
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Lol…keeping the balance you say. Night elves isn’t above the food chain you know. They needed some culling. Culling. That makes me think…how did you feel when playing the dungeon, “Culling of stratholm”?
I think people are too busy taking the moral high ground because they want to treat it as if it’s real life. I don’t think everyone does that, but I keep seeing people try to apply moral values of real life to a fantasy game where we are at war.
I play this game for fun, not for some moral real life judgement game. In SWTOR I had an evil Jedi, it was so much more fun that being a goodie two shoes. In Witcher I let Geralt have his wicked way with various women and he still got his happy ending. It’s not real life. It’s a game.
I will be sad when they force Baine or Saurfang on us as a leader. Again this is not real life, it’s not a democracy, we go with who is chosen.
I don’t think they’ll kill off Sylvanas, they pretty much stated it’s not going to be like Garrosh all over. I am pretty fed up with them killing off Horde leaders tbh. It’s been a revolving door for a number of years now.
So why do you discuss here if your only argument is “it’s a game lol”? Many people also care about identity. That’s not an argument to keep Sylvanas if you don’t play the baddie. Even if Blizz done much crap by killing off so many Horde leaders I doesn’t want such warchief.
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Oh…so you were rping? My bad.
I don’t think Sylvanas is evil. You think Sylvanas is evil and don’t want to accept that others don’t feel the same way.
You don’t get to dictate who can and can’t take part in discussions. That’s not how discussions work.
Whilst I have no problem with those who hate Syvlanas, I hated Garrosh, I can understand disliking a leader.
I have not said ‘it’s a game lol’, only you said that. I have stated why I don’t have any issue supporting Sylvanas because I don’t apply some moralistic judgement from real life to a fantasy game.
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But it kinda does. That’s why Lor’themar stated that there is a schism since Teldrassil, that’s why Saurfang and Baine are in trouble now. That are the prove that such morals exist in Warcraft.
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I’d say there’s an argument to be made that before Sylvanas was made Warchief that she wasn’t truly evil. A dark character that definitely did evil things when push came to shove, but not so chaotically on the side of evil like she’s been written in BFA now. And yes, you have to wonder if the fault for being “traitors” maybe doesn’t lie with Saurfang/Baine but with Sylvanas instead. Even the other Horde leaders voice their dissent and it is implied Rexxar is so dissatisfied he’s going to look for Thrall to fix this mess. Basically, Sylvanas’ PR department is terrible.
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Everyone has their own interpretation and I do think the fact that the two ebooks released varying somewhat from what we saw in game didn’t help either.
The whole reason for war was feeble in my opinion. I would rather have seen it as some kind of retaliation for Genn attempting to kill Sylvanas in Stormheim. To me that was an act of war. However Blizz don’t want to paint the Alliance as the aggressors. Which is their choice ofc.
I am not sure why they gave us the whole choice thing with Sylvanas tbh. It’s not like we can have different outcomes. The story has to go in one direction. Although I have enjoyed being able to make the choices.
I think Sylvanas was damned either way. Either she puts her foot down and deals with the issues going within the Horde, or she ignores it and appears weak, possibly is overthrown later.
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That is the only basis on which you can judge characters. You can talk from your character’s perspective, but that belongs in an RP thread.
Outside the story, here in this precise topic we are arguing, based on real life human values, as humans who play this game, whether Sylvanas is evil or not. By any human standards, she is.
Burning Teldrassil was not a genius move. She clearly does it because the nightelf commander spited her. The dark tone of the music, her sudden voice change, the entire setup screams that she does it because an enemy (a fallen, dying enemy) questioned her status.
Sylvanas is a prideful, sociopathic character. Your in-game character can think differently. But outside, on these forums, in the real world, she is as evil as it comes, and you simply cannot say that you are not interested in real life moral judgements, because this is the only moral judgement you got. As far as we know, only us humans possess the ability to judge actions morally. There is no basis for any comparison.
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It’s a pretty safe bet she won’t die though. I acknowledge she has her hardcore fanbase but neither do I see her remaining as Warchief. Whatever they have planned for her, as long as they don’t give her an Illidan-esque redemption story. It’ll be so superficial after everything.
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I disagree, they all have their own moral values within the game. I don’t share them necessarily.
I don’t share Anduin’s peace loving ways but I do like how they’ve tried to keep him true to his own morals.