We shouldn’t take any quick decisions about Sylvanas yet. Let’s analyze a bit!
When Vol’jin dies he says some important stuff and we’ve been fooled by blizzard many times before. These were the last words exchanged between Sylvanas and Vol’jin.
Vol’jin says: Windrunner… Come forward.
Sylvanas Windrunner says: Warchief.
Vol’jin says: The Loa Spirits say death will claim me soon.
Sylvanas says: In the end, death claims us all…but the Horde will live on.
Vol’jin says: I have never trusted you! Nor would I have ever imagined, in our darkest time… that you would be the one to save us. The spirits have granted me clarity… a vision. They whisper a name. Many will not understand, but you must step outta da shadows… and lead. You must… be… Warchief…
So hear we hear Vol’Jin say several important things that could have more meaning that you’d think. But these words are important to remember.
…you would be the one to save us.
The spirits have granted me clarity… a vision.
Many will not understand.
Now this can be interpreted in several ways, for example the spirits talking to him could be something similar to what happened to Ner’Zhul. Now for those of you who looked into the lore of WOTLK it all actually started with Ner’Zhul being fooled by Gul’dan and Kil’Jaeden. They appeared as spirits in front of him and used him for their own gain. There are many theories but what was Sylvanas true objective?
During the Shadowlands trailer, this is the dialogue that is exhanged between Bolvar and Sylvanas.
Sylvanas Windrunner: You are unfit to wear this crown…
Sylvanas Windrunner: …to wield so much power.
Bolvar Fordragon: That power… will be your prison.
Sylvanas Windrunner: This world is a prison.
Sylvanas Windrunner: And I will set us all… free.
It is a short dialogue between the two but what if everything Sylvanas did was for what was coming in Shadowlands? She does say that she will set us all free (but we’ve heard that before from many villains) but knowing Sylvanas I doubt she went to icecrown as an impulsive move after being forced out of the horde.
I used to love Sylvanas and I hate to see her become evil so it might be a wishful thinking that she has a greater purpose for us. There are so many theories I have around what her purpose was but we will not know for sure if she became evil or if she actually has a greater purpose for doing everything she did. It might be a far stretch considering everything she’s done but the possibility is not impossible!
It was Mueh’zala who whispered Sylvanas name to Vol’Jin, and he works for the Jailer and is most definitely a villain and a dungeon boss in Shadowlands.
Not much room for speculation here, I’m afraid.
I must have missed that! Could you send me some link to the lore regarding Sylvanas? That would also mean that it is a similar situation to the one with Ner’Zhul correct?
Mueh’zala is the one who whispered to Vol’jin. Jailer had his puppet loa manipulate him into making his other puppet Sylvanas warchief, so that she could start a bloody world war.
You love Sylvanas, yet you dont know her story. She was always evil.
Thanks for the info. I had no idea. Sylvanas pretty much died for me when she burned down Teldrassil but I would have loved to see a story with her where she turns out being a good guy.
Got any good sites I can use for some lore? Other than nobles videos ofc!
One of the best sites are the Wow Wikis actually.
The reason is, that all the claims that are made there are referenced with a source in the footnote that you can then, if needed, verify.
Not sure however how complete these still are, but just google for wow wiki.
Well, that were the devs who claimed that even loyalists should see how terrible Sylvanas is. Maybe it’s just a miscommunication, but the current reaction is something the dev team wanted to build.
So far the way the devs portray the story is that she was either so scared or appaled of [the things she learned about] when she met the Jailer for the first time, that she chose an “ends justify means” kind of path. Arthas had reasons to wish to turn all life into undead, does not mean everyone will be happy to follow the plan.
Sorry, can’t relate on that topic. I could not care less about the character.
The only Sylvanas-related story part I want to see more of is what is going to happen to dark val’kyrs. Keep them. With Sylvanas herself the devs can do whatever they want.
I do not see the story that way. It seems like whatever she learned made her think that the events on Azeroth, be it conflicts, personal dramas, etc. is all rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Does not mean that others will accept the idea that what is dear to them is insignificant.
We just have to wait and see if the payoff will be interesting or underwhelming.
I actually prefer to chat with people on forums or /r/warcraftlore
That way it helps to find more opinions on different subjects.
Yeah, wowpedia is a good source. But it is an abridged versions, so it can sometimes omit important details. I remember changing my opinion quite a bit after I had learned more details about what exactly happened during san’layn failed attempt to join the horde. Or when after looking at the sources my perception of val’kyrs changed from “they seem to be loyal to Sylvanas” to “I can easily imagine them backstabbing her the moment they can”.
So, yeah, as you said, verifying things on topics that seems especially interesting is a good idea that can uncover some unexpected details.
This is true, they are also missing a lot of important NE facts from before the retcon times which are actually important for understanding certain things, but well it is like it is with all wikis, they are a start and have a lot of information if you don’t need them to be 100% precisely.
Thanks for the great and extensive reply! I’ve managed to dodge all of that information somehow and I really appreciate you taking your time to fill in the gaps for me! I’ll be sure to use wowpedia and wow wiki more since I mainly go to wowhead for all info!
Wow wiki seems to be outdated, and only wowpedia to continues to reseive consistant updates. But when it comes to older information it might contain interesting data.
Wowhead is actually rather nice because of the comments, especially when it comes to Classic wow, since it has also comments from currently closed thottbot and allakhazam from the older days. And it has more or less all the quest and item details. It just might be tedious to combine all the bits of information into a coherent narrative.
Wowhead is … in my opinion more the Fox News of wow Lore.
It is for the light hearted who don’t care too much and just want to get a light glimps eassy to understand with some heavy bit of framing.
It is ok if you just want to understand what you play, but in order to really get into the story or roleplaying it is lackluster at best and dangerous at worst.
Sorry for the late reply.
We have datamined dialogue on this from Mueh’zala, Bwonsamdi and Vol’jin in the Other Side dungeon, you can find it here: Spoilers inside!
She did nothing wrong so far. But tbh its more due the bad writing, rather than story itself. I mean after sourfang and cowman just outright betrayed her, she had all rights to do what ever. It is war.