I am well aware that the mistakes that were made and resulted in the creation of one factional giant are probably not fixable. It doesn’t seem like the people responsible for the WoW Classic project want to do anything about it.
Taking away the PvP status where one faction dominates the server and playing the other faction is pointless will certainly help heal the essence of WoW. Personally, I play on Thekal and I wouldn’t trade the experience of leveling on this server for any other server with a population of 20k+. Indeed, large-scale world PvP doesn’t exist in WOTLK, but you can still come across small battles for mobs or simple player ganking. Leveling on a server where you can encounter more than 5 races is something that cannot be replicated. Were you killed? Come back and retaliate, or look for a calmer area.
For Europe, the last bastion where you can encounter such a flavor of rivalry is Thekal server. In my opinion, the admins should do everything to save this server, which is currently experiencing difficulties. The current number of players is still sufficient, but when they start to leave, you will destroy the last bastion of normality. Therefore, it is worth opening a free transfer to Thekal, making it a true Classic experience.
Lil bro really thinks that if Thekal would have a very exclusive PVP badge in the server selection window people would actually play on that mountain of dogturds (or considering how Thekal is bleeding players, small pile of dogturds).
It’s over my dude, your server is dead and it was killed by hubris of its obnoxious playerbase. At least have some dignity and go down with the ship.
You can, but no one is foolish enough to play on a server dominated by a single faction. That’s why these servers should be properly named: PVE.
@Roninshow:
Currently, it’s quite tolerable. That’s why I don’t want to mislead new players who join a PvP server where there’s only one faction LOL Mockery. Thekal, as the last truly balanced server in Europe, deserves to be taken care of.
The hatred comes from the fact I’ve seen several threads here where Thekal players smugly boasted about abusing the report function to get people silenced and banned for the crime of advertising an entirely legal way of running a pug, namely bidding on items with in game currency. I consider Thekal slowly “dying” a just reward for the smug playerbase there.
As for your actual proposal, I would love it. There is a couple Horde rogues and druids on Earthshaker who like to gank at summon stones when there is a holiday boss and the like. I would be overjoyed if they could no longer do that. A free change to PvE server while keeping the population of PvP megaserver to choose raiders from is a literal dream come true for me. I said here before I’m never making a mistake of rolling PvP again. It’s a trash ruleset that only enables griefers. But also it has most competent players to raid with, so it’s sort of a price one pays for a good PvE environment, ironically.
So yes, bring it on. Or just do warmode from retail. I don’t care, as long as I can raid in peace.
It is a good idea. Blizzard should set all monofaction servers to PVE. Than he should announce that Thekal will be only one EU PVP server and that they will try to keep him balanced in the future. Open free transfers there for PVP players, and everyone would be happy.
The idea of setting all monofaction servers to PVE and creating only one PVP server to keep him balanced has appeared here many times, long before Thekal transfers were available. WPVP enthusiasts have no chance to create a balanced PVP server by themselves if all “PVP” servers are flooded by pure PVE players who want only one faction mega server with a high chance to raid and zero chance to be attacked. Their running from server to server creates a huge imbalance that can’t be fought only by players. You can see in this forum how they advocate for keeping PVP servers monofaction (ironically). This would be harmless solution for both sides. They would keep their mega-monofaction “PVP” server. And we would get a chance to create at least one real PVP server in Classic.
Thekal had Alliance majority, and you know Horde doesn’t like playing in minority, so sure they are leaving and Alliance player who are only interested in PvE are leaving to Firemaw. You can’t stop that trend as wPvP is only interesting for Fresh players for a short period of time.
Given how things have gone with the Classic project, I really wonder if it’s even possible to have functioning PvP servers in this day and age. I mean, even if Blizzard were to take a more active part in controlling server populations (constant monitoring, locking factions, transfers etc), how would the players react?
It seems that the only way one could have a balanced PvP server is if only one megaserver existed, or if they were all connected into a single cluster, with sharding or something to control faction and player distribution…
People thinking that these who want a balanced server spend all their time in the world doing WPVP. Seeing the opposite faction in the world was always a big part of the game, creating interesting interaction and, yes, often resulting in fights. But it was part of the difficulty of the game, creating an atmosphere of danger living world. Now you can see only empty cities, and it is just boring. It is like Blizzard would set all NPC to neutral so you can always pick a fight, and if someone here wrote “It is lame”, there would be a group of people mocking him with something like “hey, why should I die just because I got fear and ran to another group? I just want to do my daily and this would be just a waste of time”.
Streamers and content creators contributed big time to the state of PvP servers. People who have no business on PvP servers went there in droves because of streamer and content creator hype. I myself, a person who no longer is interested in PvP, almost got swept up by the hype, but decided to go with my logic and my gut and stick to PvE. And I’m glad I did, since my Classic experience has been a superb one, everything I remembered it to be, with lack of PvP being the only change (I was on Defias RPPvP back when I started in TBC).
BTW - I’m not dissing the PvP experience. It was an awesome experience for me back then and made me a more skilled player, even though I stuck to open world battles, ganker hunting and BGs and did not play Arenas. It’s just not what I am looking for at this point in my life.
And that is fine. I don’t want to force anyone to be part of it. I just want people who do to have some options. Because now we have nothing (except for thekal recently). And everything can be ruined in a second with free transfers, for example.
I don’t know much about streamers (thanks to God), but I know their fan base will follow them to hell. So it doesn’t help either.
That seems like the best realistic chance to fix this problem. But I don’t know how this implementation would work in reality. It can’t be worse than today’s situation, but it would be worse than an old-style balanced PVP server. But question is how hard would be achive old-style server.
Your comment about free transfers hit me in the gut - it’s what killed HW. I moved some of my characters off to MR with my guild but left some quite loved characters there on purpose, in order to be incentivized to log in there. But Horde side (as I only play Horde) it was so empty, it was heartbreaking… I can’t bring myself to log there anymore
As for old style servers… Unfortunately I don’t think it’s possible. Player mentality has changed too much.
Yes until 90% of thekal leaves because they are the same muppets who were on firemeow/gehennas and joined only because it was fresh …
The second someone realizes PvP means you have to actually play the game, you have another mass exodus … not to mention that for PvP you need to do PvE so you need to have active server … Noone will go to dead server, just so they can chase one noob running away the moment he sees shadow on the ground …
There have been many chances in the past to create a balanced pvp server. And Firemaw WAS a balanced pvp server. Guess the majority doesn’t want this though because all horde flocked to the horde only server when transfers opened and there isn’t a single actual pvp realm left (maybe thekal? but dead realms dont count).
Taking pvp status from Firemaw is not going to have any positive side effects that you or OP are hoping for.
