We found a new off tank it is a pally. So what happend? He became the main tank because I could hardly hold aggro. How come, that some tanks do dps like a dps and other tanks don’t? Blizz pls bump up the threat gain of bears or the dmg!
Because they have big, red “FRAGILE” sticker on them. VDH still hits harder than Prot Paladin. Nevertheless threat generation sucks for all non-VDH tanks right now. Melees have it pretty easy to take aggro from me on Prot Pal. As Ret I can take aggro from nearly any tank 2 seconds after popping wings. I was killed by some melee one shots countless times already.
I mean, ye bears have quite low dps compared to vdh/ppal, but there shouldnt be that much issue on raid boss unles other tank is overgeared.
Also those talents is your raid setup?
The Setup is for m+.
The main issuie is wings and that stupid sigle of vdh. The cd is way shorter then my dps one, so they have a lot more burst windows then me with my 3min cd…
Well u should rotate berserk with convoke, idealy in owl form.
And once wings are down everything should be fine, let him start, pop wings, take X stacks, by the time its your taunt he shouldnt have em up
If your guild cares about tank dps, there is smth really wrong. Maybe get your dps’ers l2p so tanks don’t need to cover? I mean if there is a fundamental difference between tank doing 2000 and 2400 dps, smth is really wrong in your group management.
??? Where in my post stands, that we took him because he dose dps? He jsut happens to be a pally and they just happen to do alot dps for a tank. And bears don’t. That was all I sad. 
Your partner should relax dps for few seconds on swaps.
Just get ready with taunt, even if a pally/DH rips threat it’s easy to get back?
Bcoz prot pala use all his resources (holy power) to do damage. You use rage for survival.
Also if main tank have bit of agrro problem then tell him to calm down while switching.
Save your rage for one-two maul while switching.
Taunt swap at X stacks
Tank A taunts
Tank B rips agro and has it again
Tank A sit there with taunt on CD looking his cotank taking another stack and geting slowly murdered
Tank B dies
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It’s basic rule of tanking - watch your agrro. He need to learn that. It will make raid wipe.
Also he can use holy power to heal you while off tanking. There is no need to over agrro.
how in the world are you ripping aggro as off tank though. Something’s going very wrong lol. Either off tank needs to chill on DPS for like first 10 seconds. Or the other tank is doing literally 0 damage. The way taunt works is you swap your threat with top threat and keep adding to the pool, so when you taunt you gain the other tanks threat they made, and keep adding to it. Somethings going seriously wrong if off tanks pulling agro, and their not taunting wrong.
Why would you not want more damage? How is that not a valuable trait?
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Our guardian opens up with a convoke from chicken form too on pull, then straight into bear. That can be monstrously good damage no? (don’t main guardian so could be wrong)
It’s simple. The extra 400 DPS can mean a kill that’s a few seconds sooner. It’s not the same as healers needing to DPS alongside - tanks get threat from damaging, making it easier for them to do their job.
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Thats exactly the thing we discusing here, that one tank has way more burst and sustain than other, and no, “well then he shouldnt be doing dps for x seconds” isnt realy a valid way how to fix things…
But yea, tanks riping agro isnt that comon, rather dps riping from tank, thats why i was asking OP about his talents and such above…
It’s almost like classic WoW again where players had to take it slow at the start and ramp up the dps when tanks had enough aggro on the bosses or mobs or else they would get slapped.
Simple - if you rely on your “200 extra dps” to kill bosses, you are doing it wrong.
And during progression it’s better to take durable tanks than squishy ones which will do extra 400 dps.
Even as a bear you can take non-resto affinity and do more dmg while not main-tanking, if 200 extra dps is an issue.
No one is relying on it… It’s just an extra perk.
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