Tank shaman thoughts, @devs hopefully :)

Like I said; even if they don’t answer they might still see it. I know they are most often quiet, especially in cases like these. Still, they might decide to answer this in private or something, you keep acting like you know these things when you can’t. I’d say they are more inclined to send private messages than public ones. Anyway, this might still create some extra leverage towards the idea of shaman tanks, 1 post is better than no post.

And you know when they say that they listen to feedback, where do you think that feedback was expressed? Couldn’t be their own forums…

Stop talking like you know it all, you don’t. And can you show me quickly where it says that the forums are exclusively for players talking to each other and nothing else, cuz I did indeed miss that part.

And btw, I just found a post where a GM replied, from many years ago. There are surely more but since a lot of the posts are empty complaints I get why they won’t answer too often.

I know that post.

Thats right. Blizz only answers for topics that are of critical importance. Once every decade or so.

Blizzard is based in California. What makes you think they browse EU forums.

Try bothering people in US forums. You might have a better chance.

Like we all said already : you can only give us 1 example in the 20 year history of this game where 1 dev has posted something in the Shaman forums.

Nah… reality sais otherwise.

I could say that you were wrong about it being an important post, it was actually a complaining post which made me surprised they even acknowledged it.
Or I could say that you haven’t said anything about me giving any examples at all…

But I am more interested in this part:

You either fully believe what you wrote here, in which case what the frick a doodle, idk what to say to that.
OR - you’re a troll on wow forums with more than 3000 comments made. Either way, that’s rough buddy.

Have it your way.

Good luck on your tank quest.

But for the record, that 1 post is from an MVP green person.

There are only 4 blue posts in the Shaman Forums :

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/g/blizzard-tracker/activity/posts?category_id=40

All 4 are simply informative.

Cite your blue comment you mention or I will assume its BS. :slight_smile:

Better to abandon that part I mentioned right? Just write something insane and then leave it? On to the next topic, 3000 posts going strong. Insane stuff lol, you’re quite special

But anyhow, thanks for proving that Blizzard come here sometimes and see our posts, you made my point for me. They might still notice this awesome idea.

And you were all wrong in your weirdly invested comments on this matter, even though it was clear it was never meant for you. Thanks for making the post bigger.

You’re leaving now? Goodbye’s are never easy, kinda makes me wish you never commented to begin with //winkey face, loool

Did you even open that link ? :smiley:

4/5 posts are the DF surveys about tiers and mogs for season 4. They droped the post, and people clicked on it.

and 1/5 post is a BFA bug that got resolved.

You call that “proving” your point ?

Dude… common…

If you think 3000 is something worthy of notice… look up Punyelf… :smiley:

You are giving me much more credit than I deserve.

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devs told me to tell you thats its no

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dude look at yourself in the mirror. You come back almost a week after your last reply just to troll on a post where you weren’t wanted in the first place and no one talked to you, it’s pathetic, and that’s not an insult i promise, just true. Go get some help , you and your friend who liked your post too, unless you did that yourself ofc with another char… it wouldn’t surprise me at this point. Go to therapy

I always wanted Shaman Tank to have a permanent Earth elemental beside them that simply stand next to the shaman and deals a little bit of autoattack damage, but with the niche of sharing its health pool with the shaman. So Shaman tank would benefit more from other healers from AoE healing and cleave healing.

Throwing a tantrum won’t change a thing…Why so angry ?

Sounds interesting… but also weird.

Sharing HP means that you would get double damage from ground effects ?

That would also mean you effectively have a massive hit-box. Like boss frontal cones. If the elemental is 1 pixel inside and you are not, then you still get the damage and potentially 1-shoting you.

Additionally, double dipping on healers is super OP. You would need to nerf that with more damage taken and/or less healing taken. It would be cool yes, but not at the expense of spec balance …

Dunno how something like that would work.

What I do want to see is the earth elemental stop taunting things and being hit by frontal cones and things like that. For other specs other than this hypothetical tank spec.

Its supposed to be a defensive, giving me +HP and 5% DR while its active. If it gets 1-shot by a random white hit because the idiot cant simply sit next to me… It kinda sucks.

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It was a crude idea, it can be worked upon:

  • The Earth Elemental could become “cosmetic” in terms of damage taken. So only the Shaman themselves would be receiving damage from any source, but any healing taken by the elemental would also be shard with the shaman tank too due to the shared healthpool. Or maybe the elemental could have a passive 99% damage reduction taken from AoE hits, like most pets have iirc.
  • Double-dipping would occur only from AoE heals and only from those who also happen to hit the Earth Elemental. It is entirely possible, for example, to use an AoE heal like Chain Heal on the Shaman tank but it not jumping to the Earth Elemental due to prioritizing other targets. So the potential extra healing received from a healer would not be 2 times that of other tanks. It could be… 20%-50% more depending on the fight, which would mean the shaman tank could be balanced to receive around that much more damage compared to the “traditional” shield-wielding tanks (if they’re considered the base upon which other tanks are balanced against). So they’d be as heart-attack inducing to a healer as BDK or VDH are.
    – Double dipping could also work with self-Chain Heal from the shaman tank and with double target of Healing Stream totem from Totemic, and of course Surging totem and all extra Chain heals from totem placement, and extra Chain heals from Chain heal jumping to totems!

I dont know…

I fear that having 4 shaman specs would leave us in the Druid problem… The general Shaman Tree is too problematic. And a tank with BL would also wreck the meta a bit…

Im am cautiously pessimistic for the idea of Shaman Tank. I would be more in favour if blizzard managed to keep a better balance of specs more consistently in a patch…

But since they cant, and they dont take the necessary decisions, then im not sure if a Shaman Tank would benefit the game as a whole.

Do not really think that this is the biggest issue.

Druids have a problem with their class talent tree because each of their 4 different specs use different abilities. On the other hand, shamans share most of their abilities leading to the 3 different specs taking a similar class build. Another pro for shaman class tree is that it is really heavy on utility and light on throughput, with the few “needed” nodes being on top.

Frankly the biggest obstacle I see for shaman tank is the lack of return on the investment, and the lack of clear design goal for that spec.

Shamans are not the new kid on the block, and blizzard would want to focus development time on other projects. Apart from that, while thematically a tank for shamans make a lot of sense, gameplay wise they might have trouble putting something together that makes sense, plays well, and has a clear design space (something that is not let’s say prot warrior with shaman themes).

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