Im playing quit a lot wrath of the lichking classic these days and it’s a lot of fun. BUT there are a few things i would change if i was in charge and i’m interested in other opinions.
Change the annoying heroic bossfights
This looks like a minor change, but King Ymiron and Anub are not fun to play at all. The dmg is so high, that you dont play the bossfight, you only wait till you are not stunned anymore or the boss is up again.
Remove or change vehiclefights
I know they were a huge “new thing” of the expansion, but many many many of them are just not fun to play. This would be a larger change but i think Malygos for example is fine, while the first boss of Ulduar is just annoying, aswell as the vehicle fights in the 5man dungeon of the Tier 9 Patch.
Change some of the loot
Some Items dont make sense, the best example for this are the fist weapons of KT in 10 and 25 man. The endboss drops a weapon which is only good for one spec (combat rogue) and nobody else will wear it. Just change it into a sword or axe and the fist weapon problem is fixed. DKs and Paladins cant, the others who could dont want to. This problem will be even worse in Ulduar, due to the lack of slow singlehanded weapons. There are some other things too, for example the large ammount of plate healing items in Naxxramas, which only 1 or 2 raidmembers can wear and even they dont want too.
Implement accountwide achievments and collectables
This is a larger change too but let me explain. Many players want to switch their class to an alt, especially when there is a new addon and a new meta. Many of them are frustrated and dont want to grind TBC factions for example, because they already did it on the former main character. That leads into not being interested in achievments or collecting things at all. I think a lot more players would be invested into completing avs, if they didnt had to grind old things they already done on their DK for example. It’s not a thing for me, but i experienced it in my guild.
New auctionhouse from retail
Not much to say, you did an amazing job with the new one and the old one is just slow and frustrating if you know the new one. It is not an important feature for the so called “classic experience”.
Class balance
I think the balance is not bad, but in pve i would like to see a little change on retribution paladin or warrior for example. No one wants to bring these classes to a raid, but in T10 you will need them. This was the same experience for other classes (healdruids in classic, warriors in tbc). I would not change the class, i would for example give them a better tier 7 set bonus, so they perform a little bit better. A change in scaling or talents would be way to much, because the classes are fine in later tiers.
Make some achievments a feat of strength
The one achievment coming to my mind is gladiator, but maybe there are some others too. Gladiator is maybe 0,1% of the people who play arena, which means even less players if you take all the pve-only players in consideration. It’s a minor change, but i think it is incredible frustrating to see an achievment you will never get. Dont say “get gud” because even if you try the chances of success are very small.
Bring the collectable tab for apperances
I think this is a change for all the collectors, but my bank on my main character is full. But it would not only have the benefit of clearing some bagspace, i think it would give new life to old content because of the people collecting things. Even if in the wrath raids, some items would not go into the trash, because of collecting reasons. I think overall it would improve the game and bring more rewarding activities for the players. Transmog is a feature of cataclysm and should not be implemented, but i dont see a reason for not pre collecting things.
Bring some of the new features from retail into the game
Before everyone gets mad, i think the new customisation of the interface is an amazing feature because everyone is usen ELVui or bartender to change the apperance anyway. It is a nice feature and lesser addons result in lesser lag and bugs for every player. It doesnt change the way you play the game, but i think many features which players use anyway through addons, could be implemented into the game without harming anyone. The questhelper for example. Everyone i know and i have ever played with uses Questie. Even Questie is a nice addon, it is slow and costs a lot of recources. If someone doesnt want the quest helper, you can put it off in the menu.
Dont allow the russian players to play against other players in europe
This may sound wrong in the first place, but listen: No one wants to play against premade groups all the time. It’s just frustrating that they are all from one server and can communicate in one language, while all other EU Realms are mixed together against them. It’s just unfair and not fun at all to get stomped by these teams. It is not even close to a 50/50 winrate its mor like 90/10 for the russian server.
Sorry for my english and thanks for your time if you did read it to the end overall im pretty happy with the changes blizzard made and im excited for the later contentphases of wrath.
Agreed. Not fun at all. Make it so they use those abilities on a timer instead of %hp.
Since they are so integrated into wrath it would be too much work. Literally the first boss of Ulduar is such a fight. Best to let them as is.
They already changed some so why not.
This I would actually like. At this point on #nochanges is a meme anyway (not like it was in classic- vanilla) and with the influx of mounts in the game this would make people actively play their alts a bit more I think. Maybe add a restricition that mounts earned from lvl 80 activities can only be used by lvl 80 chars.
Hmm I can see why people want this but to me the way of the older systems is part of the charm. I use a small addon to automatically list the stuff I need as cheapest on top so I don’t have to scroll through 20 pages of single cloth listings for example, but otherwise I like the look and feel of the old ah.
Best to not touch this, at all. This can be a domino effect: touch one class/spec and you need to adjust all the others. In retail class balance doesn’t even exist and never has. Classes in wrath play fine imo.
No opinion.
I would like this. In retail I’m an avid mount and transmog collector and find the wrath sets to be a bit bland. I’d be in favor of transmog if it was an option for others to turn on and off - so they won’t see your mogs.
Not gonna comment on the rest, too big a can of worms
It’s amazing isn’t it? First people want classic and later WOTLK because it was probably the high point in WoW’s history, at least in terms of player numbers/subscriptions, now they ask for changes even the removal of features of said expansion as the vehicle fights, people come to classic to try for the first time, others to get away from retail but then some ask for retail features…this is where we stand.
Last but not least “we” or some of us ask for player isolation/exclusion with this BS topic about Russian players, excusing this opinion on the fact that Russian players are on the same server and can communicate because they have the same language…is this real or the level of ignorance has grown beyond comprehension for some people?
Isn’t English the most talked language in Europe (or this is something we say only when it’s convenient?) ? There are community discords, pve and pvp discords, get in one as a premade group and sign up for battlegrounds…at the end of the day we have so many QoL stuff (that many still be for) that we are simply way too lazy to even use them.
Yes. I think, it is the most popular second language, so the language most people know, but not the biggest first language. Russian, German and French all beat English in that regard, as far as I know (I think, another one was close - maybe Italian?).
That’s nice to know actually.
My point was that people can’t excuse it on the fact that some are on the same server and premade and can communicate, we have discords in this day and age, join one or create your own and get your premade group going…how hard is that?
1-9: You want so many retail features, why not play retail then? People came for Wrath because it is last expansion of the Classic cycle.
10: Russian PvPers loose as much to EU PvPers. Now EU semi AFK, half leavers, quarter bots/PvE abusers will loose to any Russian randoms in 100% of the cases. Only when EU fighting back and do not leaving because of “suboptimal honour per hour” will they have a chance against Russian randoms who play for the win even in unorganised crowd. First deal with half of your team leaving and the other half AFK and then look for the premade evidence.
If only there was a WoW version that has pretty much all of those … oh wait?
Something is really wrong with some of you, like … you drop retail to come play classic and then cry and moan to try and turn classic into retail as much as possible, like what is the purpose? To then complain that classic is as bad as retail?
If anything, the classics should be as close as possible to their original release, not as close as possible to the retail bs that drove people away.
While it’s true what you say, at this point Wrath Classic with #nochanges is a meme that some people cling to desperately. With all the stuff Blizz already changed it’s funny to see people talking down at best and throwing insults at worst to people suggesting other changes.
The OP wasn’t whining for changes, he was merely expressing what he personally would like to change. I bet he knows all that he’s asking will not be implemented anyway, but a forum is a place to discuss, even if it’s hypothetical. Oh wait sorry, seems the forums is a place just to be negative and be crap to others, my bad /eyeroll
no opinion - without RDF at ICC I’m not doing dungeons.
No opinion, without RDF at ICC I’m not doing dungeons, and I’m not doing PvP.
Why?- Wrath should NOT be a streamlined game, but like it was, often with bypaths and paths leading nowhere, just like life itself.
No thanks. Alts are exactly that: Alts, new beings, detached from your main. Characters in their own right, not an appendix to your main.
Having anything account-wide would detract from the fun of levelling alts and have the mounts, pets and achievements with them as well.
Nope. The AH from Retail is not an AH at all but just another hop. We could then Just as well have in-game sellers selling mats etc for G instead - this would also preventt all scammers and AH flippers.
Why?- Wrath should NOT be a streamlined game, but like it was, often with bypaths and paths leading nowhere, just like life itself.
They are already. I have 4 Feats of Strenght on my main.
Only if Character-specific. Transmog also was personal in Cata.
No. Wrath should NOT be a streamlined game, but like it was, often with bypaths and paths leading nowhere, just like life itself. Having this - even more changes to the UI forced upon me - would make me quit. I do NOT use any Quest helper addon, so now you know at least one.
No opionion any which way, not doing PvP, not doing BGs.
But it seems like all in all that what yiou want is Cata, not Wrath.
I dont think that the changes i suggested would change the “wrath experience” to a “retail experience” but just sticking to “leave it all how it was” is just the thing too many people in the world are going for. Retail is not the devil like many of you are pointing out MANY of the changes they made, make it a better game. Other changes made it worse, for example the levelscaling thing is a terrible, terrible solution. But not all things in retail are bad. You all behave like you could have only one the two, but not both combined, which is just sad. You could have the best of both worlds. But i know they would never dare to make some of these changes, only because they are afraid of people who say “it wasnt that way back then…”
For example i would not implent transmog, instead i would implement the collection of transmog, so you can gather apperances. This would make more items in raids relevant, would make groups for old raids more likely and so on. It would free a lot of bankspace too
I can only name one: Mount and pet tab.
Rest made it worse and worse and worse, until I stopped doing anything but IronMan Challenge - until even more “Improvements” spoiled that as well. Now - finally I can enjoy playing WoW again without closing the game in disgust after ten minutes. So please, please No Changes! Leave the changes to the seasonal servers.
overall im pretty happy with the changes blizzard made and im excited for the later contentphases of wrath.
