Do not bring back same faction BGs. Stay true to the Classic … for ONCE.
We want faction sense, we want this to feel as much like the old game as possible.
You’d get subscription drops in both cases, but you should value us who asked for as few changes as possible more, and your own words: wanting to keep it true Classic.
Same faction BGs are a terrible idea, and it will inevitably kill Alliance. Extremely bad in the longer run.
DO NOT bring back same faction. It’s garbage.
Alliance has one single advantage, that’s it. Let them keep it. Free faction change is disgusting as well, it’s not as bad as same faction BGs because it could actually balance the scales, but it feels like the retail garbage we all have gotten to know so well over the past decade.
How is it impossible, exactly? If all the large guilds mobilize to transfer because of a ridiculously game breaking retail change like same faction BG (idiotic change), Alliance will crumble completely. We saw the effect instantly. It was a god damn transfer massacre on the server.
Same faction BG is disgusting.
Just play retail, why are you even playing Classic if all you want are retail changes? Doesn’t make sense.
You are not able to play BGs?
As close as possible, as I stated. Same faction BG is obviously game breaking and almost killed a server within a week, and almost dismantled and disgruntled the entire Alliance faction. Open your eyes, wake up. Same faction BG is not the only solution, it’s not even a solution at all. It’s game breaking. It kills the game off. And stop being so selective with your quotes and posts taken out of context, trying to score a cheap point out of nothing. It just makes you look desperate and trolly.
Not really, no. not realistically anyway.
even if i queued up as much as i could in a full 12 hour play session i would only get about 1000-1200 honor in total, assuming i win every single bg i enter, which as you can imagine, will be far from the case.
that’s 8 days of straight PVP queuing for 12 hours at a time AND winning every single bg, just to get the pvp trinket.
outrageous that you would even remotely suggest this is fine.
i see two solutions to this problem
A: Reimplement same faction bgs.
B: increase horde players honor gains by 20x.
Can you quote the papper where it said the test of same-faction BGs killed a server? I’d be curious to read that.
Also…your replies show that you never really played the original TBC, nor any expansion after it, cause you’re advocating long BG queues for “better game”. People back then didn’t care that they have weaker racials, people simply played. The queues took 10 minutes maximum at most to pop. Even tho I usually disagree with Blizz choices, I think cross-faction BGs are the only thing that can keep the PVP community in the game. It’s essentialy more worth it to camp world-PVP zones such as Halaa over playing BGs at this rate for Horde.
Are you acting dimwitted on purpose trying to be funny, or? It’s not like the server vanishes in thin air, but it gets absolutely depopulated on the Alliance side. Not much of a contested server anymore then, is it? We saw the extreme effect in the first week. Large guilds mobilizing to swap with boosts. It’s a sickness that can’t be released.
You make no sense and you are using strawman arguments. I did not say the server was killed, I’m stating that you can’t disregard the high probability for it. We saw the effects. Also I’m not advocating long BG queues for a ‘better game’. That’s your words, or ridiculous interpretation. Classic cognitive failure due to a lack of comprehensive capacity. Not sure what’s worse. I’m pointing out that same faction BGs is a game breaking change.
Learn to read, or read and think hard before you reply.
actually the 60/40 figure is wrong anyway. its 46/54. so an 8% difference.
if the population imbalance is that miniscule, we wouldn’t have 1-2 hour queues unless the alliance players just straight up don’t join BG’s, which is likely the case.
You must be trolling, unless that’s what your brain was able to extract from my post.
I will quit because it will ruin the game, not because Horde gets less waiting time. Horde have always been able to play BGs. Don’t dumb this down.
Sorry I don’t include pve servers in my stats, where the balance is a lot better.
And that’s a 17% difference, which is hardly miniscule. To reach parity alliance would need to add 8 players without horde gaining any, which is a 17% increase on the 46% you quoted.
On most pvp servers the balance is a lot worse than 46/54, as per ironforge stats on raiders
Actually according to ironforge in Europe pvp servers the current ratio is 39/61 as of 7 July.
Europe
PvP
Data for reset #5 (from 30 June 2021 to 7 July 2021)
All selected realms
39553 / 39%
61009 / 61%
So to achieve balance alliance would need to gain 54% more players over all EU pvp realms just to reach parity.
Or putting it another way: every time you step out into the world as an alliance player you are likely to be jumped on by almost two horde on average.
It’s no wonder alliance are quitting pvp servers or gathering on one or two. World pvp is fun when there is some balance but being outnumbered 24/7 365 isn’t fun when you can’t even get quests done as you can’t push the horde campers off the mobs or elite you need or farm items for armor etc.
Same faction bgs just means that many of those that were hanging on see no reason to any more and either transfer to the last couple of alliance servers left or reroll horde or into the pve realms.
Without drastic action it’s not going to get any better.
In 4 days a well stablished guild on the server wont change to think they need to migrate and do it. Belive me. I lived that process with way more reasons to migrate than just a minor change on the other faction.
There’s literally always going to be faction imbalance, especially on pvp realms, because every minor issue creates a feedback loop that widens that imbalance. There’s no way to get rid of that without either force transferring people and then locking transfers (spoiler alert, tons of people would quit) OR completely homogenizing the differences between factions AND providing free transfers. And neither would provide a lasting solution because people would quit the game. At least HvH/AvA provides a targeted solution to a specific problem without an unreasonable amount of externalities.
Stop asking for perfect solutions, they don’t exist. Telling 55-60% of the playerbase that they can’t have reasonable BG queues because you don’t like being outnumbered is childish.
