I would like to summon those guys with no changes in here and actually speak around this matter.
So ToC normal has one of the end game bis items that actually needed for ICC as well. Back in the day we could run ToC 25 normal and hc so people can gear up more and ready for ToC challenges which were awesome. ICC was only one lockout like they just implemented and it was fine cause there was 13 bosses and they were more challanging than ToC. Cause ToC normal is a joke, pugfest, free loot place that everyone that enjoys.
Saying this might pressure players, Blizzard going like they are empathy guru and chossing decisions for us again. You already changed too much but this was most stupid change you guys ever implemented. ToC is 5 boss raid that normal takes max 2 hours and somehow you are saying it’s pressure us. No man doing normal 10 man after 1 or 2 months but still people go with their alts or new comers can come and other people come with their mains and easy loot for catching up.
Thanks guys and please put your work on retail wow cause your decisions that made so far for the Wotlk is a disgrace.
All they had to do is release the old game as it was back then , no changes like it was in vanila. I guess thats too hard hard for blizzard. I would love to have WOTLK servers in the future which are true no changes and no store boosts
I understand the fact that against “Forcing people to have to do 4 raids in one weak”
But ToC tier will be worst ever now and players will cry because no content.
They could just give us NM for 2 months and next HC.
Well, at the end :
Ez dungeon
Ez Tier 7 content with poor mecanics
Poor T9 content
No RDF
Less and less reason to play Wotlk Remastered while on other serv there is the same with RDF and static mythics dg with real interaction with each others because of the dificulty
Actually, they made unique equipped on trinkets etc. So nice. I wonder %15 of the population that wanted to play DK’s are happy or not. This changes whole trinket stuff that really so stupid.
I bet none of the dev management that taking these ludacris decisions played Wotlk in 3 years and making decisions base on what I really would like to learn about it.
Give me a break, one of the biggest complains during ToC in the raiding community was that people felt forced to do the same raid 4 times a week, and thus causing a lot of guilds to disband due to raider burnout.
You people are now just complaining about anything you possibly can complain about. grow up
And on the other hand there will be tryhard guilds doing 4 raids a week on 4 different characters, having them geared up in 3 weeks and then complain it was all too easy and they need more content.
Sure, i guess that you will getting minor upgrades aka not even bis gear, is more important than preventing a repeat of a huge burnout in the raiding community
Having it share a lockout will just mean non hardcore guilds who didn’t have Ulduar HM’s on farm and who have less skilled raiders will probably never clear Trial of the Grand Crusader, since they will not be able to gear up in normal while progressing.
The change messes with a few classes BIS lists and pushes less cutting edge guilds to continue farming Ulduar for the odd 239 piece if they want to focus on HC mode. Honestly I think the change is short-sighted and made by people who are a bit out of touch.
The “raiding 4 lockouts of the same raid” was never actually a problem, because you’d obsolete TOTC 10man normal quickly, you’d do 10hc/25 normal in under an hour to gear for 25m HC progress. Now you’re going to have to split-raid 10man HC instead.
Biggest complaint? It’s a complete Myth.
TOTC 10man has the same ilvl weapons as Ulduar (232), the armor is 232 also so it’s 6ilvl above Tier 8, but Ulduar HM’s drop ilvl239 pieces. The reality is that in 10man NM you were only getting minor upgrades and sidegrades, there was little to no value in continuing to farm this.
Also, farming 3 lockouts of TOTC (10 + 10hc + 25) would take less time than a single Ulduar clear, and TOTC25N was easier than Ulduar. No, what you’d do is farm 10hc and 25m normal to gear for 25hc, and that was LESS time consuming than gearing in Ulduar doing 10 + 25.
Getting burned out from TOTC is a myth, maybe you got burned out because you didn’t like the raid and/or didn’t like doing all the optional dailies for the tournament, in terms of time investment Ulduar was on another level.
I don’t think you play wotlk any time soon so let me briefly explain what is ToC.
ToC 10 normal is catch up raid that you easily do get some gear if you need it after that no one ever does it. Only if you boost people’s ilvl.
ToGC 10 hc actually nice you do with a good party and try to grt 50 try chest which you will do ot anywyas regarding to lockout.
ToC 25 man is 2nd easiest raid after Naxx but having no thrash etc. it makes even easier and faster. It’s most puggable raid ever that wow had and actually tooks 2 hours tops. Just 2 with the worst people.
ToGC 25 man is actually the hardest content and expectes to challenging.
So 2 hours for 25 joke content putting you on pressure? Due to lack of ToC lockout what do you think will happen? People going to force doing Ulduar HM for getting bis trinkets on ToC cause you can’t get ToC normal ones with ToGC ones.
Thanks I am 32 and did several pserver experience and also had retail experience fully I know what the F gonna happen. Sorry about people inviting you to raids and expect you to perform well I think you can’t and that’s the problem. If 2 hours of raiding puts you really bad spot I don’t think you will survive on HM modes on Ulduar.
Also with that nick it’s hilarious to tell people grow up. Have fun kid
If they have to they do and they will. On ICC after 25 man LK dies every single guild will do Warship encounter on HC because it’s better and easy loot.
But this system will force people to do stupid ulduar bosses on ToC to get their trinkets which it will take at least 2-3 hours because tons of thrashes and bosses but ToC 25 normal tooks 1 hour for a casual guild heck 30 min for hardcore guild. This dev update changes all of the end game class balance that been up for a long time as well.
This is perfect no one with a sane mind would want to run ToC 4 times a week, worst raid ever in wow and 1 that ppl will barely go to !
Trinkets Uniqe id was to be implemented in OG Wotlk but never was due to limitations in that version of the game engine , i wish people had more information than just going blindly by the private server community !
Yeah we are sane to go and farm Ulduar on ToC content and clearly you have no idea about ToC content as well cause no1 farms 10 man that long max 3 lockouts that’s it.
If you think that’s an insane to go 1 hour of raid I think you will stop playing if your guild tells you to come Ulduar for bis trinkets. Cause you just can’t stand an 1 hour long dungeon lol.
Also coming here and saying engine simply did not let them to do it most hilarious thing I’ve read this forum of all time. You personally think with that brilliant mind of yours they have technology to making little shards in openworld to make better story telling but simply can’t fix the item problem cause they can’t due engine problems?
Sorry that you are summoned and cursed us with your poor arguments but it was fun please don’t feel like summoned again and have fun in Ulduar.
