That j allen brack fella was kinda right

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You think you do but you dont

Remember when all those streamers said how classic was a journey, an adventure?

Then said streamers nolifed levelling by spamming dungeons and got to lvl 60 in 3 days.

See sodapoppin most toxic streamer ever if you know his early wow days mocking retail that you can level to max in a day then does it in 3 days in classic.

I often think about j allen brack
He was right, the game is still the same, its just that wow players need to minmax everything to stroke their own ego with third party website scoreboards, and Blizzard weirdly keeps encouraging this behavior :clown_face:

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Someone just closed a Pilav’s video i guess

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Streamers are very wise people who knows what they’re talking about

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More people should watch it

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The first time, it’s an adventure. After that, it’s just a means to an end.

The game is still the same and so are players. Each new XP and each major patch offers a new adventure. But what I said above still applies. It’s only an adventure the first time. After that, it’s a means to an end.

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I mean it’s honestly debatable, if you are a public figure people are going to follow you and bother you as you play, i really doubt people like Soda or Asmon could have leveled normally while streaming, because people do like to harass them on a costant basis.

JAB was not really right, Classic/TBC had quite a bit of follow, they are just destined to slowly rot because it’s a finishend and already seen product.
But i mean, EVERYONE said and knew from the start that Classic would not bring the same experience back.

Whoever said that was straight up lying or delusional.

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That was the case well before streamers came on the scene.

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How many times did his druid nuke you?
Or you just imagined the entire pwnage?

I love your name

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Min maxing has nothing to do with ELITISM or streamers :smiley:
I min maxed in Wacraft 3 there were no streamers back in the day

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Not watched the video so don’t know what the score is there but think about it back then there wasn’t this proliferation of knowledge about the game. I bought a copy of the Bradygames guide (actually still have it on my bookshelf) and even then I didn’t have half a clue of where I had to go for quest objectives. Even once I had learnt about the Thotbot database I still didn’t have a clue about stat priority nor that I should be focussing my talent points into one tree rather than spreading them around picking up the ones that looked the coolest to me.

Now there is just so much information out there that is easily accessible to all and sundry, it is no wonder that the way we approach the game has changed. Where once we’d have had to search in frustration for an object we now alt-tab or just check out Wowhead on a second monitor for exact coordinates. The frustration is gone but so is the sense of accomplishment at the same time.

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Pilav has new video?

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And content creators without spine say and do whatever brings them money no idea why talk about them.

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He has Serbian government looking for him.

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Who it is made by?
We need more pilav.

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Well done Rektem, you are correct and have learned to think for yourself.

Most of the WoW player base are incredibly stupid and have no idea what they are talking about. WoW players believe that they themselves can decide whether they are having fun or not but in reality they are just clueless sheep who cannot tell the difference between gambling addiction and actual fun. I talked to a lot of people recently on why they play WoW and nobody was able to answer the question besides that they do keys or like to raid but the truth is that most WoW players are merely addicted to the gambling systems implemented in WoW to hook them such as opening the vault on Wednesday. It is essentially the same thing as looking forward to your birthday or Christmas but instead of a yearly event it is weekly and that hooks the average braindead WoW player. Same goes for raiding. Raiding in WoW is essentially about suffering for weeks and months and in the end you finally get your CE and with that the feeling of relief. It is the same thing as starving yourself for an entire day and then eating a burned pizza in the evening. You are going to eat every single molecule of that pizza and you are going to love it even though anyone else wouldn’t even touch it. Just like only WoW addicts and sheep tell themselves that they are having fun when in reality any competent person would not touch WoW whatsoever which is why it is withering away. That is World of Warcraft.

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Sure simp 10/char

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I challenge your view.
Why I play wow : To immerse myself in fantasy world going to adventure working with like minded individuals to beat magical beasts enemies and such while exploring new lands!

World would be more fun if there was magic and where Knights in shiny armor could fight fantasy beasts and such!

I believe that is why many play wow even when they can’t put it in words.

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Casual scrubs like me are the true MMORPG players. We don’t race through the “world” part of World of Warcraft just to get to instanced team content. I didn’t play Warcraft back in the early days, but I did briefly play text-based MUDs back in the 90s. In those days, the rp was THE key part of the game. It wasn’t just team up in small groups to kill PvP opponents or go-go-go to the boss without even talking to each other.

But those days are long-gone. Back then the mere idea of sharing a virtual realm with people from the other side of the world really was magical. Now it seems many vocal players expect the game to centre around content that isn’t truly MMORPG content. They aren’t playing WoW because they want to experience an open-world fantasy environment filled with irl players. They just want to PvP or raid or run dungeons. They play the game like it’s a LAN game or team-play PvP game, not an mmorpg.

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The player base ruined classic for most not Blizz

They brought in the min max attitude from day 1 , everyone was looking up their pre MC bis list. World buff meta was so strong if you decided you cba to go get them , you were benched.

world pvp wasn’t fun for the simple fact no one would attack you unless they were so over geared it was a guarantee win against you.

Also about year 1 of classic , people stopped leveling or doing dungeon groups how you were supposed to. They just bought mage boosting. Players decided to skip 90% of classic wow because they wanted to do end lvl only.

Before we touch on botting , that is also the players fault , too lazy to level , too lazy to make gold. Meant IrL money demand for gold. Hence we got the epidemic botting.

Sure the botting was epidemic but most players saw it more as an annoyance and could look past it.

I am not going to defend Blizz for their slow or total no motivation to halt the botting.

But what made Classic and tbc so bad ,… it’s the players themselves.

Servers , players insisting the only way to have fun is being on the most populated realms otherwise their realm must be dead. I raided on a low pop realm in original vanilla and we cleared everything uptoo naxx just fine ( no I didn’t do naxx) Same with tbc I was on hellifre EU which was considered Medium back then. Guilds cleared all content including Sunwell both horde and Alliance.

I don’t understand why players feels If it’s anything less than Full or High pop , then your realm must dead … so illogical.

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I fully agree with everything pointed out, and I didn’t watch the video nor did I ever watch Pilav streaming.

I said this multiple times over different threads here and in general. The downfall of wow, or even other video games (I don’t play any other than WOW, I just read stuff) is caused by the masses (:sheep: :sheep: :sheep: ) listening to opinions of so called streamers and not thinking with their own head. I fully appreciate people testing PTR, giving proper feedback where it’s due, thinking with their own head and in a way, helping the game. But the number of these players is just incredibly low.

Yes, Blizzard made several mistakes in the last 3 expansions. Most of the mistakes (even I was reporting them, giving feedback on majority of them) took months, maybe even years to fix, but in the end, I wouldn’t and I didn’t stress myself over these things and I would just find a way to adapt to them. The playstyle I have for the last 6-8 years just doesn’t go together with all the things. Let me give you an example how I think, vs. how people that in the end are stressed, fed up with the game, that possibly end quitting it and bashing it. In 9.0 Night Fae was the superior covenant for druids, and with 9.1. it changed to Venthyr. I took Night fae on my druid alt not because it was the best, only because it fit the best with the theme. I wouldn’t stress myself with changing and adapting in 9.1. just because venthyr pushes abit higher numbers. Truth is, that with the content I’m doing (KSM, some hc bosses here and there) I don’t need the best numbers, best stats, and don’t have to stress over minmaxing for the content I do. I understand RWF raiders, top 0.1% highest rating owners of M+ and gladiators, but these people will always climb all the walls to get to the best state, and quite frankly, that 0.1% aint even complaining.

You, casual people on the other hand, find a million ways to complain and complain. The best proof for this is the tier set and double legendary. I pugged my way to keystone master with 1 tier piece (got lucky with gloves on my 1st vault), and I had 1 291 legendary. I pushed KSM with 260 ilvl easily. Now, with double legendary that’s pretty much free since it’s available from the campaign, I’m at 268 and I could easily push 20s if I wanted to. Yet I have never complained about tier set, even the 2 291 legendaries, I wouldn’t mind people with 1 291 and the other 265 belt or other stupid things. In the content we are participating it (let’s call it the high end middle), no minmaxing and no pushing the limits is required, which essentially means that stressing is in the end, an individual’s decision. Other people, are complaining and complaining and crying here on the forums, how they don’t have the tier set. For what? Do you need it for your +13s? Just chill and don’t stress yourself out.

Unless you are doing this for living (which is what people from top RWF guilds essentially do, because who would have thought they don’t raid 13 hours per day for fun, but for money from their sponsors), you people really need to realize you are playing a game. A G A M E. Start treating it as one, and it will be much more enjoyable. This is something I realized maybe 6 years ago, and I’m enjoying myself so much more.

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