The 400 ilvl piece of gear ruined Warmod even more that it was

Horde gets the first Warfront bonus in EU (but not in US, but as EU players we needn’t care) which is, conveniently, also an iLvL 400 piece and which, conveniently, comes out just before BfD Mythic.

The horde is just insanely, insanely salty at being in half the problems the alliance was in when the expansion came out, where the horde got a free item, and about 25% of the mythic raiding guilds were alliance, and where 3 bosses in Uldir were directly made easier using horde racials.

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Yep, because the horde still has better racials - and this means they get to double-dip. They get two bonus 400 iLvL pieces.

Now I’m not arguing that this stuff isn’t stupid and broken. I am, however, arguing that calling this alliance bias is… a little weird.

Oh and by the way, did you know that the 30% buff changes to 10% as soon as there are equal amounts of horde and alliance in warmode? Yeah. Horde warmode is still overpopulated. Better get used to the ganksquads and the alliance players rampaging around; you know, how Warmode was intended.

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For Pure dps 49% of the DPS Specs in the GAME has alliance as the top racial and 51% Got Horde as the top racial.
Shadowmeld is really good with Reaping in mythic +.

The racial themselves are really equal when we are talking about dps it is the utility that means something, and that is something people on the forum here at least keep forgetting or they think it has to do with dps.

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I have yet to receive a piece of 400 ilvl from Darkshore/Arathi world bosses and I’m pretty sure that Alliance will get the first upgraded items when you get Darkshore again while Horde might get it when we take back Arathi.

The issue still stands. Horde get 400 from Arathi/Darkshore. Alliance get 400 from Arathi/Darkshore. But somehow it’s fair that Alliance gets an extra piece of 400 loot by not doing anything. A freshly dinged 120 alliance can get a piece of 400 loot. And you’re currently getting a 20% free warmode bonus which obviously is fair even though Alliance and Horde warmode ratio was about equal during launch and Alliance just decided to turn off warmode.

What racials made Uldir easier? I can only find Will of the Forsaken for G’huun fear but that mechanic is easy to counter: simply don’t face the boss and it’s useless. I’d rather take Dwarf Stone Form for an extra defensive or Gift of the Naaru for a hefty HoT. Maybe you recall Stone Form being overpowered on Imonar? And while we’re still on racials, they are about equal in power. Maybe if there’s a burst phase Horde racials can pull ahead a bit but during the course of a fight, they’re equal. It’s not like a racial is the difference between a wipe and a kill.

And once warmode turns in Horde’s favor, Alliance will simply turn it off and suddenly they get the buff next week. 100% guaranteed that Horde will also not receive the 25 kills for 400 ilvl quest since it’s not tied to warmode directly. Is this intended for the unfair bonus to switch back and forth constantly? There was a reason why Alliance turned warmode off at the start of BfA, when warmode ratio were about equal.

So warmode was intended for factions to switch it on, actively break the rules and camp flight masters and world quests for a weekly quest then turn it off again? Strange how Blizzard would encourage players to break the rules…

It’s 30% and many gnomes died during this time :frowning:
for the faction with the fewest players having warmode enabled.

Who cares about a 1% DPS increase when you can prevent wipes by virtue of your racial literlly being mass dispel, or by vastly reducing stun duration in a meta that’s all about stun->kill in PvP. And don’t even get me started on Zandalari trolls. Regenatin’ 100% of your HP in 4 seconds - most healers can’t do that even with massive CD’s. It’s ridiculous.

Well, you’re wrong. The first faction that gets Darkshore after the new season has begun gets a 400 iLvL item from it. Alliance got Darkshore at 10 PM last tuesday, which means ours granted us a 385 item. Horde will be first, and it’s coming up real soon. Enjoy :slight_smile:

Nah, we don’t for a long time. Your premise is false.

Yours trivialises Zul for a start.

No, it’s not intended to be an unfair bonus to turn on and off constantly. Blizzard will remove the warfront bonus once enough alliance players are in there, and hopefully that’ll be the end of it.

You are not breaking the rules by camping flight masters in warmode.

Before the change it was the Alliance getting ganked nonstop everywhere, horde got their easy Warfront gear back then and laughed at Alliance players speaking out on the imbalance and unfairness.

Now you Horde players get a taste of what it feels like to be outnumbered and destroyed by a raid no matter where you go. As alot of Horde players used to say back then:

Stop crying and git gud.

1 ONE encounter in raids 1 dungeon made for horde. is where blood elf racial is good you can counter it by many other things anyway. (Oh and to USE the racial on Zul you would be losing DPS on the boss)

OH GOD i will have top caps bold this do i not, BLIZZARD HAVE SAID THEY ARE GOING TO CHANGE THAT ABILITY! Zandalari trolls are not ready in the current state on PTR the FREAKING belts do not even work with mounts the race can not use a god damn mount at the moment, and YOU THINK IT IS READY???
1 you did not EVEN TRY zandalari or 2 you saw a video and assumed oh this is how it will work.
The RACE CAN NOT MOUNT at the moment and you think NUMBERS tuning is something that got priority over that.

But because you brought up Blood elf racial for Dungeons Lets see you have racial dispell for a lot of poison something that is in many dungeons.
you got shadowmeld to SKIP Reaping altogether, the kul’tiran racial is a 2% damage reduction + 1% versatility.
you got dungeon movement increase and many more things.

Yet you do not hear much if any (and do not count this as one of those as it just a psa for you.) complaints about these racials.

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@ OP : You aren’t forced by anyone to put warmode on .
The idea of the warmode is to fight ?
You are a coward ? qq-ing about u are getting ganked , fight back bozo .

well its because horde got used the wellfare gear and treatment. They dont even know anymore how balance feels. So now they cry even if they feel their dominance is slightly in danger

How about the second pack in King’s Rest? Or basically Paladins in general in PvP. Just remove their BoP and BoS problem solved.

Also, you don’t lose DPS on the boss provided you use the racial when the adds come close, which you should do. Furthermore, 10 adds spawn in Mythic meaning 2 mass dispels meaning huge mana drain, since MD is capped at 5. Or you can just bring a Blood Elf. :smiley:

And that’s just one racial. There are also a ton of fears in several instances that Undead just skip over.

The only even remotely as useful racial on the alliance side is the Night Elf racial, which allows you to do death-skips.

Orc racial is also VERY strong in PvP. Stun reduction is insane in this meta.

No, they said they’d look it over. No changes as of yet, and it’s been on the PTR for about a month now.

That’s a bug, not intended design. The racial, however, is inteded design.

Shadowmeld doesn’t skip reaping. It just makes the reaping double in size in the next time around, and your entire party dies. You can use it on the last reaping, but don’t forget the massive wait.

Oh my, a poison dispel - the most dispellable debuff type in the game. How wonderful!

If your group doesn’t have poison dispel already, it’s a pretty weird group.

Doesn’t matter unless literally the entire party plays the same race, which they don’t.

Don’t try to argue with this horde people …

For example in every post …

but he forget the previous raid …and the previous raid and the previous raid…and so long… horde get something extra ++

Damn i remember ^^50 First Dates - Ten Second Tom ^^

We are talking about racial and end high content that is raiding…still hordes continue to say abou shadowmeld in mythic + ???
This about shadowmeld is a quote from the every twitch horde… amazing isn’t ??? ( did any of those top twitcher switched to alliance ??? nope… )
As far as i have seen there is a difference astonish in mythic +>>>>with top mythic + runners beeing horde by a insane percentage still they cry and cry …

Well if you think that shadomeld is so op…?? Alliance is waiting for you …otherwise continue the 10 seconds tom…

What a cluster flump.

Your tears taste so sweet and delish

Hold on, alliance were always crying about horde racials being op. I never found an issue while doing Zul hc or mythic but I guess that’s just because we had priests in our raid roster. I suppose priests are rare to come by for Alliance?

Orcs get a free Relentless(20% duration on stun effects) sure but Human racial isn’t broken? Remove an entire stun and gg. Oh that Rogue opened up with Cheap shot into a full Kidney? Let’s just human racial it, survive death and wait until we can Honorable Medallion the next time they try to set up a kill-window.

What about the unfinished racial?

I’m horde and my faction is currently patrolling Darkshore with world boss only giving 385.:thinking: So when you’re done sieging Darkshore you’ll get world boss with 400 ilvl and we’ll get 400 ilvl when we re-take Arathi.

Priests still exist and if your guild doesn’t have a single priest I feel bad for you.

Oh so you’re saying that the 20% increase for alliance was just a way to make more alliance players turn on warmode? But what do you expect to happen once the faction ratio is equal again and Blizzard removes your bonus?

  1. Blizzard said that this bonus would change depending on which faction was underrepresented, right?
  2. At launch the ratio was about equal but alliance slowly stopped playing with warmode for a reason and then turned it back on when the buff arrived. Do you believe all these sudden 8.1 warmode alliance players will keep warmode if Blizzard actually removes the bonus? Why would they even give alliance an unfair advantage in the first place?

Zone Disruption.

I mean you can’t really blame horde for having the most cool looking races. You also can’t blame horde for Blizzard’s sharding issues, which also affects horde FYI. Phase into the wrong shard and you’re screwed whatever faction you’re playing.
Few weeks after launch a lot of alliance players told the community that warmode and world pvp wasn’t for them, which is why they switched it off.

Do you think this is the player’s fault or the fault of the developers? Because, from what I know (though not definitively) none of the players of either faction implemented this train-wreck.

Better to throw your ire or snarky comments to them

You’ve got some nerve, haven’t you?

I had to “git gud” when I was ganked, now I’m a ‘coward’ apparently. But I have to put the kid gloves on because the tables have turned and you don’t like it? I don’t think so. It’s all a big outrage now it’s your turn, when you were silent when it was you reaping the benefits.

Sorry, no.

Easy tiger! Where did I call you a coward?? Where did I say ‘git gud’? And if you bothered to read my post history you would see that I have wanted pvp rewards only for both sides.

I think you probably need to take a step back from your keyboard and calm down…

Maybe take a nap

I am calm, you brought it up. And I didn’t mean you personally, come on.

Still, probably best to take a step back for a small while…and not pop a Homer Simpson eyeball :roll_eyes: