The 9.2 Tier for Havoc is insulting

If you cared about fun and dynamic, you wouldn’t be playing demonic.

Currently, we use blade dance as well as essence break (except in ST). Giving us one fewer button to press does not make the rotation ‘more fun and dynamic’.

Are you saying demonic doesn’t currently use blade dance at all? Or just in ST, so the only thing that will actually change is the ST rotation.

It’s a very boring build. Like demonic, but with fel blade to press occasionally instead of the demon’s bite/chaos strike cycle to press any time there’s nothing else off CD. But yeah, the tier set will force anyone wanting to push high content into that one, boring build because it’s the only one that significantly benefits.

We currently have 3 equally viable builds. The tier set will change that by pushing one significantly above the others.

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They’ve all been pretty even, to be honest. Momentum has a higher skill floor to play well, which is why the majority stuck with demonic after we were forced into it for the entire last expansion. The brief opportunity to play something that consists of more than waiting for eyebeam to come off CD has been wonderful, but we would have been fools to think it would last.

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What about Fel Barrage?

Agreed, the priority calls are a little more complicated but nothing hard at all. However, my reason to dislike momentum is you have to spend ALL your movement abilities to do damage. Some may like that playstyle, but I don’t - and in most raid encounters momentum is a “big” dps loss compared to demonic builds (if you miscalculate timers).

Yes. As I said, it has a higher skill floor, which I guess puts some people off. While I was learning it, I put up with poor dps (and my friends put up with ninja pulls in M+) until I got the hang of it.

I have tried the various demonic builds, as both NF and Venthyr, in raid, but I do more damage as momentum. That’s why this tier set hurts - because it’s a relative nerf (when compared to the build that benefits) for the build I love, and the one I play best. It wouldn’t have been so difficult to create a tier set that benefitted every build equally.

The new 4 piece bonus:

4PC: Metamorphosis duration is increased by 6 sec. Every 60 Fury you consume reduces the cooldown of Metamorphosis by 1 sec.

Kino is back on the menu boys

With the PvP talent, you can have metamorphosis last for 26 seconds with around a 90 second CD. Damn.

Finally good news :partying_face:

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Yes, these are more or les good news, and here is my opinion:

Havoc

• 2PC: Increases Blade Dance and Chaos Strike damage by 20%. This bonus also applies to Death Sweep and Annihilation while in Metamorphosis (They are still obsesed with Blade dance but including the Chaos Strike this tier will at least be useful in every combination and situation, that’s something, not very spectacular but something)

• 4PC: Metamorphosis duration is increased by 6 sec. Every 60 Fury you consume reduces the cooldown of Metamorphosis by 1 sec. (Increase of 20% metamorphosis duration (very little but not bad, if this could be aplied to demoniac will be excitin) and a bad reduction of coldown, it’s like the legendary Delusions of Grandeur but 100% worst, i think that this don’t even reduce the coldown a 30%)

In general this is better but not great compared with the others tiers.

Vengeance

• 4PC: Consuming a Lesser Soul Fragment reduces the remaining cooldown of your Immolation Aura or Fel Devastation by 1 sec. (if the efect were Immolation Aura and Fel Devastation, would be very good but with the “or” make it only more or less decent)

Is our setbonuses the most boring of all class? For real.

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The 4PC havoc set isn’t bad, but they should also make the PvP talent baseline that halves the duration and halves the cooldown time. I always feel like I waste a lot of meta time in M+ or during certain bosses where I can’t DPS. Meta lasts quite a while, which is good, but that also means that you lose a lot of value because of downtime. For this given the CD is just too long, and the 4PC set is kinda making that worse.

I dont find it very fun either, but at least its a mechanic to play around instead of just a static bonus so it at least adds some gameplay element (not that its rocket science… burn 1-2 arcane shots, get a buff to your aimed/rapid fire, use it with cooldowns, profit… yeey… and some major cleave against melee train… yeey good but nonexciting).

But if theres anything ive learned from playing hunter as a main for many years is that noone ever listens to any feedback from hunters regarding anything ever, either on alpha, beta, ptr och live. So commenting on hunter mechanics is just a total waste of breath. And as you probably know of the state of hunters, its not like the devs gives a dog-poo about anything with hunters except PvE-performance.

I dont agree with it being very bad for pvp though, quite the contrary. Doesnt make it more fun, though.

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Kinda get the feeling you think my post about the bonus was to be insulting or trolling or something. Its really not. Im ditching my long time shaman to go DH as my main secondary character and I want to have fun while playing it, and static bonuses without any interaction has never been my idea of fun.

30% stronger rapid fire during resonating arrow is huge, and if it applies on procced kill shots for venthyr (havnt tested that actually) then its going to be insane aswell. But we’ll see.

No offence but I find whole DH design insulting. 2 action bars spec.

And I think it’s insulting that someone who’s been playing the arena for 10 years is still a 2k hardstuck. But what we can do, that’s life.

Still less insulting than DH design. Maybe if I played DH I’d be like you.

This is something I do not understand. They give us back tier sets but just give you raw stat modifiers on it rather than an interesting effect.

But both the design of the entire Tier Set aswell as nearly all piece effects are not good, so they should may aswell have it left out.

This is pretty much just our old never-picked dead Cycle of Hatred talent as a piece effect. Obviously wont work with Demonic because that would enforce an entire talent slot which they wanted to avoid with First Blood and Blade Dance Tier Set before already.

Go into another forum to insult players just because you disagree with something, you immature child.

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Elemental Shamans on their way to let everyone in the Demon Hunter section of the forum know that their spec containing a few more buttons is vastly superior:

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DH design is fine. Not our fault you only have the ability to press 2 buttons.

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