The actual problem

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With Classic out and everybody (at least the Classic fans) losing their minds about it while at the same time getting bombarded by retail fans, I’ve been doing some heavy thinking.

While I heavily dislike Classic and just about all it stands for, I couldn’t care less if others who like it play it or not (excluding the classic trolls who flood the forums yammering BS about how better Classic is over retail).

HOWEVER, I think most people hate on classic for the wrong purpose. It used to be that the WoW team had only retail to focus on. They would dish out patches and content in a timely manner and the wheel would keep spinning. E.G New xpac, people coming back en masse, then leaving around the mid of the expansion when they’ve done most of what they wanted to do.

However, Blizzard now have to babysit a side WoW project and you are really deluded if you are buying into what they say about “different teams” for both retail and classic. We already see how classic is effecting retail development. Ever since 8.2 which was over than 2 months ago, we have gotten literally 0 news on retail.

Why? Because the entire focus at the moment is on Classic. With this stunt, Blizzard have effectively taken a big ole’ shi te on their main playerbase which are, like it or not, the retail players.

All the development resources and money which were poured into recreating Classic COULD have been poured into a new, better, more RPG-orientated 9.0 expansion WHICH would in turn appeal to the classic playerbase as well. There is no denying that BfA is a sub par expansion, it simply is. In my eyes, creating classic was one of the worst, if not THE worst decisions Blizzard have made. Splitting an already somewhat unstable playerbase in two.

And this won’t stop here. They have several phases of content to roll out, let’s not forget. People should think about what this means overall for the main game which is retail. With the poor financial state that Blizzard are in ever since Blizzcon 2018 and all the lay offs that have been done (don’t even for a second believe that only customer support staff has been laid off), and the continuous portrayal of how they are “moving devs” from their main games to new projects (like they abandoned Hots and the Starcraft FPS), I am 99% sure they are taking devs from retail to work on Classic and it’s upcoming phases.

I fully understand that people want to play a different version of WoW which ISN’T BfA. However, rather than Classic, they could have shortened BfA significantly and given us a new expansion quicker than usual due to user feedback.

TL:DR - Classic was a bad move. What was needed was a good 9.0 expansion which would appeal to both communities. Dividing the playerbase like this is a recipe for disaster as we can already see all over different forums.

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TL;DR.

WoW retail is too far gone and when they brought back a simple thing in Cata (dungeon disables), people outcry was absolutely Crazy.

WoW retail and WoW classic are two different game for two different audiences, and there is no amount of change in Retail that will make it like Classic.

2 Games are perfectly fine. choose the one you prefer :wink:

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Or play both games also a solution which many will crucify me for saying but I’m brave.

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The problem is, you can’t fix whatever is wrong, because it’s still the same people in charge, Mark Kern and those guys aren’t with the team anymore.

I’m sure they try their best, but the current designers are just bad game designers, like terribad, they have terrible vision, and apparently, according to people who worked there, they (Designers) think they’re hot sh*t, so it’s destined to fail downwards.

They’ll blame anything on declining subs, but themselves. They probably hate the fact that Classic is even a thing, because it’s going to make Activision ask “What’s wrong with modern WOW?” I really hope the bad design is removed from the company, the modern game needs it.

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Look - I have played WoW since launch - and the mechanics in the original release were simply superior to everything since

The game did not compromise - nothing was easy - nothing could be taken for granted - Open world mechanics were often more difficult than instances

You had to find your quest targets - there was no arrow on a map - you had to co-operate to succeed

To me retail is a console game - if Blizz issued an LFG / LFR only game on XBox or PlayStation it would be more popular than the current system

But that’s okay - if you want to play in a tournament system it works

WoW in Classic was immersive - WoW now - I thought I would rotate between Classic and Retail - within a week I’m putting no time into Retail at all

But I am a Dinosaur- younger folk who came later will no doubt prefer Retail

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Idk man, before Classic was out, I wasn’t playing at all. Now I am playing. For players like me, there was no splitting to consider, because rather than play expansions like Legion and BfA, I’d simply rather play other games. I bet I’m hardly alone in that as far as the Classic playerbase goes.

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Why does there need to be so many mass debates on this crap? If you like classic/retail, play classic/retail. People getting tribal about it are wasting their own time and not contributing anything. The endless hate on these supposed pro-classic people screaming everywhere BFA sucks was enough to make me not actually bother with classic.

If that’s the kind of people I can look forward to playing it with, no thanks. You are literally putting down classic with your feral tribalism.

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Lol, sorry my childish sense of humour.

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Ah I see what you did there or at least I see what is in you head :rofl: sometimes I have childish sense of humor aswel :grin: :+1: especially with pervy innuendo jokes.

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Classic can provide usefull tracking that can be beneficial to retail, so I’d say it was a clever move.

However, it is two different games, and I’ve concluded that I enjoy both for now. I never had any desire for classic servers, but trying it I realized I actually enjoy it a ton. I am expecting to get back to retail at some point tho.

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You are not for sure. Many of my friends who left WoW years ago, are now to be found on the classic servers. It’s great to have them back.

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? There’s been a fair amount of news regarding 8.2.5 already. New worgen and goblin models, firelands timewalking, bee mount and the whole thing with Wrathion, just off the top of my head

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For me the only actual problem with Classic WoW is being bombarded with questions from my guild why I am playing BfA and not joining them on Classic. Just let people play the version or versions they want and get over it.

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The problem is though is even after they got Classic, the Vanilla crowd still likes to harass and berate anyone who still likes retail. They are even more empowered now with the really successful launch. They are already yelling at Blizzard to kill retail and let the “casual babies” be forced to play Classic

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From Blizzard’s point of view I don’t think Classic WoW changes much of their modus operandi. They’ll still make content patches and expansions for Retail WoW as per usual. The only likely change is that they’ll probably coordinate the release of those with the Content Phases for Classic WoW, so they overlap rather than being released at the same time (avoiding any player dilemmas about which to play first).

It’s probably more within the player community that issues will arise. Tribalism is often seen in communities where a game is split into multiple versions.
And there’ll likely be a battle for Blizzard’s attention. If one community feels ignored, then they’ll blame the other community for stealing all Blizzard’s attention…like this thread, basically.
I think the fact that Classic WoW came to fruition sets a perceived precedent that a TBC server option will come next, and then a WotLK sever option, and so on. The demand for that will grow over time, and then it’ll turn to outrage, and then Blizzard either has to deliver on it or people will lose their collective minds.

So there are some dark clouds in the horizon as far as the player community is concerned, I think… :cloud_with_lightning_and_rain::cloud_with_lightning:
…But that’s not here or now! Currently it’s release hype and everyone excited and happy and it’s all great and awesome! :sun_with_face::rainbow::tada::purple_heart:

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It’s funny you say that, because the Retail crowd does the same :woman_shrugging: You’ll see it both on posts here on General Discussion as well as in the Classic general discussion. There should be no victim cards drawn here, because both sides are equal in the harrasment… and it is getting old imo.

I have to say though, if you only read about it here on the forum, you only see so much of it as you choose yourself. You should then see the “Retail crowd” who logs on to classic and start their bashing there, and then Classic defenders gets triggered… I guess you can figure the rest out

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Same as, and the mechanics in the original release were vastly inferior to what we have now. I mean that is simple, technology has advanced, game design has advanced, what worked 15 years ago does not work now, trust me, I have tried Classic. I know.

This was a brilliant idea, I liked vague directions by questgivers.

When the people writing the text could make up their mind what East and West were. I remember this being a problem in Vanilla, and bless 'em, it still is in Classic. “Go to the East of Thunder Bluff, you will find it there”
Spends an hour doing jack shiz but fighting mobs to no purpose
“Did you mean to the West of Thunder Bluff?”
“No, I meant to the East, didn’t you hear me?”
“Just, I’ve been there, and the place you mention isn’t there”
“Ahah, I meant the other East!”
“The Other East?”
“Yes, or as some call it, the West”

Seven times so far I have been given incorrect directions by questgivers, honestly? I’ll take arrows on a map over that.

Nah, it was incomplete. Nothing about it was immersive, people throw that word around with gleeful abandon yet no understanding of what it means.

I’m older than the Internet for civilian use, and I vastly prefer Retail over Classic, probably because If you are a dinosaur, I am a Trilobite, and I remember Vanilla the first time round…

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actually no.

Blizzard now has two projects to focus on and make publicity with.

Now people will be dead focus on classic for a month or two. When they’re getting bored of it and they start to get tired, look what’s coming next? Patch 8.2.5? Just in time. then another month or two of that and people get tired and go back to classic, just in time for the new phase. A bit of that then 8.3.

It’s going to be like that until they announce burning crusade expansion for the future and a new expansion in blizzcon.

Then the hype will continue for a long time. Right now, the game is suffering from very slow progression and people losing interest before the next patch arrives. Classic solved that problem for them. Old recycled content that people eat up and LOVE. Why not? other than maintenance and some changes, most of it is just old restored coding. They don’t have to do as much as retail to keep classic up.

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Peoples who would stay with classic, wouldnt sub anyway for retail. Classic is building its own resources made by new/returning players… meanwhile it doesnt need many resources to keep going (content is copy paste). If you ask me, classic resources may help in building better retail WoW.

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What If I want Wotlk/MoP and anything similar to them only :< ?

atm neither classic nor retail satisfy me, and bringing back MoP or Wotlk won’t cut it too as I’ve already played them.

The perfect Wow to me atm is if they did an expansion with the soul of classic, the atmosphere and pvp of wotlk, the mechanics of MoP, the epicness of TBC and hype of WoD.

:crossed_fingers:

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