The "and then?" challenge

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Let’s pretend I wave my magic wand and starting today players can only be muted (or banned) for hacking/botting or criminal activity as in linking whatever it might be, underage… stuff, linking to illegal drug sites etc.
But let’s focus on muting and language.

Nothing you say can get you muted.
Players are from now on soley responsible for their own chat experience.
We have given you the tools; mature language filters, strict settings that blur out even the slightest slang, making your socialising experience rather unpleasent since almost 50% of what you read is censored, because you know, abbreviations could mean anything and we have to protect our poor poor player base of innocent pure children who never have heard or dropped the F or N bomb by the age of 9. Yeah. Sure. Gimme a break.

Anyways… those are the new rules.
If you read anything you don’t like, even with maxed out filters, go ahead and /ignore /mute that character, or his entire account id.
That if anything should solve your problem.

We as a company should not and will not be responsible to manage the infinite amount of communication occuring between millions of players on our platform.
I think that’s a pretty fair stance to take. We mind our business, you mind yours.
Contact us only if you suspect anything criminal etc.
If something simply offends you or makes your wii wii feelings hurt; deal with it.
Feelings are a subjective issue. We can not block millions of users from communicating with each other just because a few got offended by them based on their individual subjective preferences, which are not objective evidence.
Welcome to the real world. This is the bare minimum, if this breaks you, you probably shouldn’t be allowed on the internet in the first place to be honest.

So, the goal of this challenge is to present a realistic scenario that favors the current muting policy, which I oppose.

Every time you make a point, imagine I follow it up with a “and then?”
after which you have to keep going, untill anyone gives a damn.

Let’s start with this example:
I rage at my underperforming BG team of random players, calling them all the toxic bombs on the ban list. They get offended.
And then?

Their… feelings are hurt?
And then?

They are sad and… mad I guess?
And then?

I had a reason to call them names because of their ridiclous underperformance and wasting my time. I have the right to lash out verbally, as THEY have the right to mute or ignore me for that. Things shouldn’t go beyond this.
There is absolutely no reason to call in “big bro daddy admin boo hoo this guy said I suck, punish him, punish him good!”

What exactly are the long term benefits of this?
You only make me very very angry and frustrated, now that I have no more the ability to whisper anyone. My entire gaming experience has suffered a massive inconvenience. For what? Speaking the truth and being verbally colorful about it?

The only reason why people report others is because they know it can mute them and thus cause those inconveniences. YOU blizzard are in fact the source of all toxicity. YOU feed the trolls and fuel the flames.

My version of in-game social policies are far superior.
They cause nobody any inconveniences that they don’t deserve.
You disagree politically or religiously with any 50 to 500 players, you still get to talk to all the 5 million remaining users without any closed doors.

Blizzard is being ridiculous with their chat policy.
It has no basis in logic or reason whatsoever.
Every argument ends with “…because”.
“Because… think of the children.”
The game is rated T (Teen), ‘content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.’
Let’s be frank here. Kids younger than that play wow, and there shouldn’t be anyone defending that. Or if you are such a parent of the year, you waved your kids rights to complain, because the game said rated T. So if your under 13yo kid picks up bad habits, language, or gets depressed after verbal abuse: feel free to sue Blizzard into court, and also be prepared to get laughed out of there too.
Your kid had no business being in here.

And for the 13 plus old kids, they are blasting sexual stuff and violent movies on their iphones, we all know that. That’s a absolutely pretentious shameless “christian company” virtue signaling PR move to claim you are a good and clean game with a wholesome community, where nobody swears, etc. The majority of wow players are first of all 20-40 year olds, and represent some sort of subculture, punk, goth, metal, take your pick of anything degenerous and unemployable.
Oh no, sorry, my bad, you are all, ALL perfect individuals, who wake up at 5am in the morning for yoga after you’ve been jogging for 2 hours. Then you go to work/study and come home to have a lovely wholesome vegan meal with your partner, both being flawless beautiful models, who then skip off to do some charity after the gym workout, watch some netflix after a quick walk in the park with your dog and a nice instagram session, and it’s time to go to bed already.
What a surpriiiiiise… no time to play wow for 12 hours a day?
I wonder why?? What a shocking mystery this is indeed! Why doesn’t this add up?

Or the “Because… muh feelings.”
That’s subjective, you have tools and settings to protect yourself. Deal. With. It. Nobody is outside your house screaming insults into a megaphone. You can simply click one button to mute that person, we are online, what part of digital communication do you not understaaaaaaaaaand?!

There are absolutely no reasons for Blizz NOT to stop supporting this ridiculous, OBNOXCIOUSLY PRETENTIOUS fake phony image of being a “good christian company with a super clean community”, just to suck in some more naive paying customers into this ship before it finally sinks.

Stop pretending. Get real.
The majority of the playerbase is old, male, raw and talks a lot of s***.
It is despicable how you all hide behind a mask.
I know you people irl, I know what you think, how you talk, and what you would LIKE to say out loud, but you are all too afraid exactly for this very reason:
FEAR OF GETTING MUTED = INCONVENIENCED.
“Yeah I would but then I couldn’t do this… or that… and the other…”
Shame on the players, and shame on Blizzard for promoting such dehumanising policies. All opinions should always be allowed to be heard, no matter how verbal, how harsh, how insulting or offending. You do not deserve ANYONES respect, until you start respecting us and our right to free speech.
Can you even see yourself sinking in this swamp of social hypersensitivity?
I bet not, since you have muted all those who warned you about it, because their criticism was “too triggering”, and now you are a bunch of blind monkeys holding each others hands walking circles in the dark, only interacting with each other,
slowly sinking into the clown time abyss of leftist insanity…

Till that day comes, here’s a idea I just got.
How about you give us some “ADULT” servers, or “NO-REPORT” ?
Realms where all speech is allowed. You can still report anyone you want, but only for botting, hacking, or criminal stuff, which a human needs to check,
and language never gets anyone muted no matter how dark the jokes are.
Enter at own risk. Can you at least do that?

Or perhaps you are afraid…
of how immensly POPULAR such realms would turn out to be?
Imagine the migration rates off the charts, once players hear there are realms in which no troll can flame bait anyone into saying “bad words” and thus having their gaming experience ruined.

To people who expect some “sorry for long post” or already type out their screeching "LOL WALL OF TEXT REEEEE"ply:
Grow the f*** up.

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And then?

You have no right to free speech in WoW.
It’s their ‘house’, they make the rules. If you break them, they can punish you.
You agreed to that.

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That is a lot of text just for getting silenced.
Had to make up for the time you couldn’t talk did ya? XD

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Raging douche got silenced

and then

came to the forums to whine about it.

I didn’t read the thesis but I think I nailed it.

Did I?

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That’s what gin will do to you.

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You planning on getting a publisher for that novel you just wrote?

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We have the right to free speech yes, but that doesn’t give us the right to say what ever we feel like to whoever we feel like.

You have the right to insult me, I have the right to ignore you or see that you get a ban if I found it something that was too offensive, personally I wouldn’t go for the later unless I felt that it was likely that behavior was common for the individual and they probably insult a lot of people needlessly.

but honestly, using big angry words across the internet…makes you an idiot more than it does anything else and as far as I’m concerned you have no rights.

Certainly not the right to free speech.

In fact you have very few at that point in most countries due to laws governing online abuse which you are now the abuser, jail time is an option for continued behavior like that now.

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Did someone steal your chocolate milk or something ?

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I mean, sure but that doesn’t mean you won’t have to deal with the consequences.

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There is nothing free, least of all speech. A couple of wars have been fought for you to have as much as you do now and thats the price that was paid.

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Sounds like you got frustrated about something that happened in game, lashed out on (wrong) people, got muted and find it unfair. I can understand that makes you angry. But thing is, wow is not safe space to rage around and treat other people badly any more than your local supermarket, school or place where you work. You step over the line and you get consequences.

What to learn from this? You image of wow players is not what you thought it was. WoW is not full of some “old raw males who talk a lot of manure”, it is full of people who don’t want to listen someone spewing insults and are not shy to report you if you do. You don’t have to believe my word on this, considering that mute function needs a lot of simultanious reports to actually kick in you can know from that you crossed line for too many people.

I can especially understand your muting feels unfair when you cannot whisper to your friends either. Unfortunately that is how the system works now and it is just something you gotta live with it. In the spirit of your own “and then?” challenge: You got muted for bad language… “and then?” move on, learn from it “and then?” … no more bans or muting, happier game experience for all. :grinning:

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And then?

I get offended :cry:

And then?

Yes, muh feelings get extremely hurt when people write naughty stuff like those you want to write :broken_heart:

I write to someone, telling them how they crush my selfesteem for their own egoistic needs - and because of this act I will now gorge in a lot of hotdogs to fill the gap my cracked heart now has, making my doctor angry at me, because my BMI already is to high… It’s an evil circle. because I get even more sad when my doctor gets mad at me :sob:

Someone write back “Don’t worry, that bad person won’t hurt your feeling the next hour” and I can go back and pretend everything is fine again :slight_smile:

Afterwards I punish my kids by giving them the usual lecture about how to express themselves, and how they can write critical responses to peple without having a stroke, offend everyone and get the opposite results then what they really intended to have :ok_hand:

And then nothing more I guess :thinking:

I would btw be on the kids realm, where people are forced to talk nice, so muh feelings doesn’t get hurt :hugs:

Edit: typos

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why get angry anyway? It’s only a game after all!

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And one more thing for OP, with all respect and no offence. You think people should just ignore and move on because

Is there some special reason you cannot excercise this principal yourself, when your feelings get hurt, you get sad and mad about performance of your team in BG? Ignore and move on, that is what most people do.

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To what now ?

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Oh Shnookerdookies, a word slipped my editing :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

(I found a page with word to replace the bad ones :wink: https://wehavekids.com/parenting/101-Great-Cuss-Word-Alternatives)
((I wonder how much they need to get used before they become actually curse words :thinking: ))

Edit: Hopefully corrected typos :expressionless:

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Just use heck and frick.
200 iq

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The first search word when I search for ‘heck’ is surprise or frustration I could very much see my self use that a lot:
“What the heck, someone killed me!”
“Oh heck, they placed another cliff edge under my char!”

But The first search word for ‘frick’ is: henry clay frick… And I’m a bit unsure how to use him in a sentence where I am cursing :thinking:

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Instead of “f you” I use “frick” or “heck” you

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The problem is that legally, this is simply not the case in most countries. In some sense to prevent being illegal they have to mimic at the very least to some extend the law.

No you wouldn’t in that situation.
You really wouldn’t.
This has nothing to do about ‘being too adult to be hurt by words’, this is about ‘being mature enough to be respectful’

This post feels like something really specific happened because of how it reads (sounds emotional) that got you in trouble but you’re being hypothetical in your story as if that’s not what happened but at this point it only makes me suspect that what really happened was far worse even tho this might not be the case, what happened?

I don’t know what happened but obviously you’re not happy about the consequences of whatever you did and now you’re just trying to get all these completely unrelated topics into the discussion to do… what exactly?

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