“In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”
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Ehh no and yes at the same time to some extent , you missunderstood the concept im gonna try to explain it in simpler terms hopefully it clears it out .
so basically imagine a chart okay one of those paper charts that has a line that goes from 1 to 10 and imagine in every game you have players Equally spread out between those numbers , now usually just like every other subject and indutstry in this world the gaming industry is also the same the majority get clumped up in the middle some are very low and some are very high … its a basic simple concept to understand that explains how skill disparity works
now the thing about wow and where this becomes a problem is when you try to do the same thing with wow and compare it to other games , now im not gonna take into consideration that wow is a different game say compare to something like League or valorant because they are in different genre the point is still the same we are measuring skill within the community so take this for example :
if you measure the playerbase skill of a game like League from 1 to 10 ( 1 being bad 10 being good ) and 5 obviously being average and you apply the same concept to a game like DOTA 2 you will get the exact same results ! the games are identical sure but it dosnt matter the skill disparity is similar the very high end player stands out clearly compare to the average or low and the same applies for average and low , you can tell … its obvious
in wow how ever its different ! its not like those games or any other game , you will find extreme highly irregular players almost in every aspect of the game and they usually tend to be worse than what they actually are ! so when i mentioned some of those players from echo and method those are common examples of a not very suitable player for that bracket playing in that bracket ! those guys are still infinitely better than the average wow gamer dont get it wrong ! how ever in they’re own bucket they still suck ! the fact dosnt change , and the reverse could also be applied to the other side
the point im trying to make is that the average wow gamer is worse than the rest of the entire video game industry and it dosnt just apply to the middle or top or bottom ! if you have a 10/10 league player that 10/10 league player is comparable to a 10/10 valorant or dota player but if you have a 10/10 wow player that wow player is not comparable ! hes probbably like 7/10 at best . i know this might not make sense to you but thats the best i could explain idk hopefully that clears it up
Idk I kinda did notice that I reached my limits. I see some top players healing much more than me and ask myself how they do it, without really finding an answer.
Sometimes there is nothing to heal, so there is nothing you can do but when there is something to heal, I just can’t pump these numbers that some top players can because people just die. Watching the top players healing it’s almost like their entire group has the perfect amount of healing from the other healer(s) to not die, while every single player perfectly times the defensives to just stay alive so they can receive the healing that results in the perfect numbers.
Now, I am pretty sure that’s not what’s happening and it’s simply a skill issue on my side that I can’t figure out how to handle.
For me personally that is kinda something that’s “completely on another level” but ye, that’s healing, it’s dynamic, it’s not like tanking and dpsing in this game.
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I’m pretty sure if you put Lewis Hamilton into a chair and made him play WoW he would suck and have poor awareness despite the fact he’s one of the best drivers in the world with unbelievably good spacial and situational awareness, and some of the best finer motor skills and hand/eye coordination in the world.
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Sure because he’s new, but these people I’m talking about have been playing for years.
edit: Case in point → Rogue that has achievements since at least 2015. We do a skip. He stealths right into the mob that see through stealth. Like, how. He takes the one way he shouldn’t take, all other ways would’ve been fine but he just goes straight on to the mob.
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its actually not that hard , obviously raid and m+ are different vastly here , in raid most guilds all the way up to top 10-20 dont know anything about healing the only thing that matters is which healer learns how to steal healing from other healers which is stupid and unprogressive and damaging for the progression of the boss itself , for example using mini cds into someone elses big cds like a paladin wings or smth … thats pretty common in raid and its unproductive
m+ is different , if you are having trouble healing an encounter that has infinite rot damage say swampface for example then yeah you could say you might have reached your level but if your trying to heal some avoidable mechanic or your gp is playing like apes not using defensives not avoiding to the full potential then again its not a healer problem .
in RWF and top 10 guilds the story is completely different you should never compare those numbers to any other numbers they have tremendous amount of work behind the healing multiple healing officers set cds on specific timers they dont even budge a single unnecessary gcd into someone elses cd because they only have 1 goal and thats to kill a boss so you bearly see any overhealing at all or heal stealing … because again they are organized extremely well . but even at that level its not that hard to execute
Teach me. Let me get those last 2-3%
I am not sure which kind of guilds you are exactly talking about but I am talking about healers who have top performance, where is no heal stealing at all. Not those average pug groups who snipe heals because the leader is clueless and invites 2/4/14 when 2 healers are enough.
I know it’s different but the point was not M+ but the player skill level and your statement that in WoW it’s easy to achieve and nobody does anything “inhuman”, basically.
This is not how it works. It’s just the current game design, you always have a decent amount of overhealing, usually around 30% and the more effective healing you have, the more overhealing will usually be there as well.
Your perception of raiding and healing seems extremely outdated, somewhere around Cata level.
You should try to heal yourself, then you will get an idea of what I am actually talking about. And it’s actually fun 
i do heal i have healed i know exactly how it works , healing is extremely simplified in modern wow most guilds dont know anything about healing like i said up to world top 10/20 most guilds have no clue on how healing works they will have a spread sheat of which healer is assigned to pop what at which point in the fight but the healers will never do it properly and the only thing that matters is logging and heal stealing
top guilds are different like i said there isnt much overhealing if you check the logs you will clearly see that specially around the top 10 territory ( most of them have the logs private but im sure you can find one atleast ) the top performance healers have just mastered how to heal properly when needed they dont do anything outside of that is specially spectacular other than playing the boss mechanics …
you could argue that the combination of the two could be challenging and i would agree with you but again outside of that top 10-20 bracket most guilds are gonna be overgeared once they get to a certain encounter and really when it boils down to it its not that difficult but again difficult is relative so idk ?
long story short healing isnt as complicated as people think it is , i my self once had that theory but then i started playing in a guild who had a healing officer who was top 20 world and he explained it to me that healing is not about performance under stress but rather knowing when to pop what and being scriptive , healing is extremely scriptive once you know the fight and assignments its not complicated same goes with dps specially in raid but obviously its less stale than healing
The majority of guitarists who have played for 20+ years are terrible to mid. The majority of WoW players who fall into that catagory are the same. It’s easy to have low awareness in a video game because your attention may not always be 100% on the game and you may have many distracting factors, moments of unfamiliarity, moments of broken concentration. Also, any break away from the game will massively dull your gameplay and awareness in the game, it doesn’t matter if you were a Mythic raider, you can come back to the game and be overwhelmed during the readjustment period, causing you to play poorly.
People who are good at the game have worked specifically on developing and improving muscle memory around a lot of ingame tasks, and around the content specifically, that allows their brain much more freedom to think and much more focus on their awareness and surroundings, they are also more likely to be fully focused on the game to begin with.
People sucking at games has little to no correlation to how they perform elsewhere. There is no exam that you have to pass to play WoW, nor is there a formal structured method of learning.
That doesn’t have to be a skill issue.
Sometimes people ninja pull on purpose because, for example, they’re leveling and want the xp from killing as many mobs as they can.
Sometimes it’s just trolling. That’s not a skill issue either, but rather a ‘social gaming’ issue.
Then I am not sure how you can come to this conclusion, since it’s not about pugging with overstacked amount of heals:
Good guilds take less healers so there is nothing to heal steal.
Take Nexus for example. You have in HC pugs at least 4 healers and they barely can handle it while good guilds use 3 healers on mythic. There is nothing to heal steal for them.
That’s why I am saying, that’s wrong. That’s not the current game design. I don’t know when you healed last time but has to be at least 5-10 years ago.
#1 MW Monk has ~26% overhealing on Nexus mythic. I have ~26% overhealing on Nexus HC. The overhealing is roughly the same for all. It’s not Classic or Cata, you don’t have the amount of control on overhealing as you had decades ago.
Well and that was my question: How?
How can they pump those numbers and not let anyone die? You said it’s kinda easy to replicate this kind of skill in WoW. I tried. I am trying. I can’t. As I said, to me it feels like the entire team requires perfect gameplay in order for the healer to pump the maximum amount of healing possible but at the same time I can’t really imagine it’s that. But maybe it is?
I mean this is super basic, you don’t need a top world player to explain that to you lol… your perception of healing seems indeed very, very outdated.
Resilient keys isnt the issue. They need to start lower thats the only issue with resilient keys
base on your replies i think you should just learn how to snipe heal … like this is my advise to all the healers out there , your not gonna be able to pump those top guild numbers its just not gonna happen they are playing a mythic boss ur playing the hc version of it dmg is day night different healing taken is also day night different , players are also different its not even close to the same thing … extremely poor comparison
your never gonna be able to pump those numbers even if you 2 heal a heroic Nexus you wont cause ppl will most likely die to mechanics due to being bad ( unless its a rare good all curved gp ) again my advise is to just learn how to snipe heals if you are planning to play in a mythic guild or climb ranks or even do good logs
outside of top 20 guilds nothing matters but logs and numbers and snipe healing and if you cant do that then maybe you have reached your limits and thats why it seems hard to you and its ok everyone has limits some max out early some go further .
As I said, there is no healing sniping at the levels I am talking about. Is not a random nhc pug with 4 healers.
It was just an example. I can take same mythic boss. It does not change my statement really. It would actually underline even more the gap in healing.
There is no heal sniping at these levels 
Is not classic my friend, you are decades behind in terms of how healing works nowadays 
bro what are you talking about ? wdym there is no snipe healing like ur actually delusional at this point im done like if you think there is no snipe healing then i got nothing to say to you …
my friend plays engulf evoker in raid he snipes everyones healing literally and he tops healing always , hes a pure griefer but to say that there is no snipe healing is just dummy talk anyway do what ever suits you
Really?? Tell that to KK Downing, Adrian Smith, Dave Murray, Nita Strauss, Earl Slick,
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True I think the death of Guilds played a part as well, when I started years ago I got lucky found a good Guild with patient players who explained what Hit Cap was, what gems I should use the sites I should visit why I should enchant and use pots etc. Seems a lot of decent Guilds disbanded over the years and what remained seemed to full of Elitists, rage quitters, trolls or just zero interaction anymore at least thats my experience and why I havent been in a guild for years now sadly. Guilds Good ones are a great source of help to players.
Tru dat. We’ve even got pre sobriety Yngwie showing up being better than everyone.
In direct response to Bigbazz:
Some people aren’t about The Shred. They aren’t Shred Lords because they don’t want to be. Which is fine.
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I’m a bad player. Very bad. I suck so much you wouldn’t believe and you’re lucky you’ll never, ever see me in a dungeon group.
I also have a driving license and I even used to drive a car for work. Until I crashed it. The rear of that car looked like a raisin.
Then again, I’m a pretty decent writer and illustrator and I speak multiple languages so I gladly suck at gaming.
Link his data so we can take a look. If he is able to snipe healing then he is either doing low content or the raid has too many healers.
The only delusional take is to think you can snipe healing for high logs. For high logs you reduce the amount of healers and there is nothing to snipe.