The awful treatment of the Horde over the years

Hello my peeps.

As you all might know I am someone who always defended the Horde even at their worst and I would still stay to make sure Blizzard is able to see reason and change their course.

So here it is right now. One final gamble in the hopes of the writers of this story seeing my arguments and maybe find something better for the Horde and the very few characters we have for the greater plot outside of faction plot. Alright I will now show you all the different problems the red team faced during the last 20 years and counting.

  1. It all started back in Warcraft 2. Back then Blizzard had no other choices but to deliver ONE side of the war to be the winner. And since Orcs were still just evil dudes straight from hell it was easy to have the green folks defeated in a humiliating way. They became slavers for some time and had to do hard labor. The rest of the Horde on draenor didnā€™t fair any better and the planet was lost with most Orcs dying off in the initial blast of its ruin. I donā€™t think the Orcs and their original allies(Goblins, Dragons, Ogres and Trolls) had any bright future ahead until Metzen spoke up for them and argued you canā€™t make a good game when everyone is either a human or elf. But this realization came way too late.

At this point the Horde was just a shadow of its former self. Almost all leaders except some feisty few were already killed by the alliance or inside betrayal and the people were divided between the camp prisoners and the Draenor survivors who(before the Magā€™har retcon) just all became part of the Fel Horde and directly served the Burning Legion.

  1. After the first chapter of the Orc history was done for the Blizzard writers had no choice but to create fresh blood for their ā€œreformationā€ of the bad stuff that brought the Orc race to almost doom. Enter Thrall, Son of Durotan the only original Orc leader who had real morality and always defied Gulā€™dan and his schemes from the start and was kind of the ancor that came in to save the race from their own doings.

Like every good new Hero of the present time it works better when the parents are dead so they bite it and Thrall get raised by a human who oversees the slave camps. Metzenā€™s intention to bring the Orcs to their path of redemption here worked out and once all campos are liberated and the original Warchief passes the Torch to the younger generation the NEW Horde leaves the human lands and sets sail for Kalimdor. So far so good. But even the new plot has troubles and I fully believe here is what happened as the initial mistake back then Blizzard made which still haunts the game in the MMO era.

  1. Of course I am talking about the fact that once more Blizzard needed inbetween villains so the Orcs become evil again and drink even more demon blood which made them demon slaves for the second time. That is a can of worms the Dev team should have never opened another time. Thrall already knew where his people went wrong before. There was no need to repeat the Orcs=bad plot. Because more bad writers in later stages(MOP and BFA) would shamelessly make the same beats and expect a different outcome.

After Grommash is dead means the old Horde is officially buried since he was the last face of the demon corrupted Horde from which forth all heroes of the next generation are generic no names which can be written out without any emotional attachment.

  1. The MMO times. Now we have a new Horde with new races and replaced allies(Instead of Ogres we have Tauren and instead of Amani we get the Darksper trolls because Blizzard was fully bent of wiping out the memory of the old Horde while the Grand Alliance just pretty much stayed the same if you ignore the night elves). The Sacrifice of Grommash makes you think now the Horde is on a good path and every new war will surley NOT have the whole Horde fights itself again yes? Wrong.

Enter Garrosh. I am not sure why Thrall had to retire but we got an old school Orc leader now who survived all the time on Outland and maybe brings some much needed edge to the Orc race who have by all sources be way too humanized in order to generate sympathy from normie Fantasy fans who always play humans and elves in their weekly rounds of DND. Garrosh COULD have been a way of having the Orcs connect to their pre Hrode past without wiping the leader cast. But not so for Chris Metzen no Sir. For some reason Metzen is allergic to all nuances and if you arenā€™t like Thrall you are evil and will be a villain for both factions to be defeated for the greater good or some other boring reasons in any modern fantasy game. Ignore the starving families in Duroar if you are mean to the glorious alliance you DESERVE to be killed by the real heroes of the MMO story.

  1. So the original story of an evil Horde that needs to be stopped by humans and their friends was repeated TWICE now during MoP and BFA and each time because evil people who are mean to the blue team arenā€™t allowed to stay alive so the Horde has massive losses in terms of lead characters who get filled for cheap replacements with paper thin background where obviously Blizzard didnā€™t even think about creating a satisfying story for them in any scenario.

Thrall and only Thrall is needed for the Horde to feel good about themselves and everyone else is either dead or a grand hero of the glorious alliance. that is the world and the story we have to deal with TWW and anything that comes after that.

So to draw in our conclusion of 20 years of a mishandled story where Blizzard still expects the playerbase to just ā€œWait and seeā€(I have seen no Horde involvemt, they are too powerless to matter against a bigger villain) where did it all go wrong? Maybe you can say the Horde should have won the second war and divide the original world 50/50 before starting the MMO because whatever Thrall was supposed to be it didnā€™t work out it was a massive demoralisation for the fandom to be forced to fight your former allies twice. Maybe it went wrong when the heir of Hellscream was even worse then his father in terms of keep his unneeded aggressions in check and Thrall should have stayed retired as shaman leader while Garrosh continues to lead the ā€œnewā€ Horde. Or maybe it was just Afrasiabi being given too much power at a bad time of developing the expansion after the Legion is defeated and he abused it to a full extent as revenge for them mishandling Garrosh.

We will never know it for sure. But I fully believe I speak for every other Horde fan when I say, NO Blizzard we will not give you the benefit of doubt again. You had your chances and you blew them all. The only way to fix this mess is a soft reboot going all the way back to the RTS times. The Horde deserves more cool leaders that are not just Thrall and we are tired to be called bad by all other NPCs just because we didnā€™t chose the Alliance at the creation screen. Do better Blizzard. And stop putting the two halves of the fanbase against each other for cheap drama points.

In high regards to my fellow Horde mates.

Erevien. Cheers.

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i didnt even read that but all i can say is that
horde is about
orcs-trolls and creatures like these and most of them are the bad guys of world of warcraft univers. as long as i remember most of the wow players were horde in pvp and pve,
and blizzard cared about horde more than alliance for years and years.
if its not the same now days then its okay in my opinion

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Read the full thing then you might get the idea where the plot was lost originally.

Iā€™m not a massive lore fan and the story of expansions are always a bit meh, TBC being the exception. All I know is, as a playable character, Iā€™m able to kill everything an Alliance player can kill and thatā€™s all that matters.

That is not good enough I am afraid. The balance between factions must be restored.

the Lore have been butchered by the Devs in favor of Horde .
As both Alliance-Horde Player i know 20+ Horde Lore character that played major Role in the game ā€¦

Alliance?? Jaina Proudmore 17 years and Tyrande 20 Yearsā€¦ Zero improvement over the years . Every expansion Lore-Raids-Dungeons we have Horde domination .

We Had [Varian]( killed with a 14 second Cutscene by a random npc with no name-
[Garrosh]= A whole expansion at some point dedicated to the horde with an awesome Raidā€¦

Classic 4 Dungeons focused on alliance Lore - Horde 10 Dungeons focused on their figuresā€¦ (Fair enough )

You remind of a nice quote (Not the best translation ), Help~give someone a finger and is going to pull your whole hand .

Stop being delusional and create entire topics based on your personal points of view that comes with benefits that suit your ego .

Pretty much this.

Blizzard did Horde a big favour by fudging the usual bad guys to let players be the heroes as well as orcs.
Itā€™s made for some iffy story telling at times but only other option would be to have the Horde players be Villains all the time. Not sure how youā€™d give them access to the same raids all the time if they werenā€™t heroes saving the world but I guess other fudges could be made.

I say be grateful the Horde is as ā€œGoodā€ as they are.

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Only thing i will say is the death of Saurfang was very cheap. Not necessary at all

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Judging by your past thread history i find it hard to believe that it will be your last attempt :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

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In your usual way; without acknowledging facts and being a completely one-side affair?

Iā€™m sorry man, but you really, really do not.
Not only that; but you are not a Horde fan. You are an Old Horde fan.

I disagree. First of all; they gave him one hell of a hurrah. A storyline with quests and multiple cinematics spanning several patches. Noone else in WoW history has been given that kind of treatment.

His death also helped establish Sylvanas as truly vile and evil and ā€˜lostā€™ at that time.
So there was a definite narrative purpose to it.

Was he a cool character? Yes.
Was it sad to see him go? Yeah!
But it served a purpose, like it or not.

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Its fine to disagree. Just expressing my opinion

I get that; I simply donā€™t understand your opinion.
You say ā€˜cheapā€™ when Saurfang got the best, most elaborate send-off in WoW for any character.

You say ā€˜not necessaryā€™, but from a narrative point of view it served a strong purpose.
Could they have done that in a different way? Sure, but it is what it is.

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they could have made him heavily wounded and kept him around, really liked the dude. Sure it served a purpose, i just didnt like the purpose.

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How many times do you have to make the same boring as s thread?

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So did I. But think of it; thatā€™s why it was all the more impactful.
The death of a no-name nobody would not have had the same effect.

Yeah, thatā€™s fair.

i never understood why horde say theyā€™re mistreated.

  • vanilla had no story.
  • tbc was about blood elves. despite draenei being new as well. where was the draenei -raid? oh thats right, blood elves took over tempest keep as well.
  • wotlk was a mixed bag between jaina, tirion, sylvanas and saurfang.
  • cata was orc jesus.
  • mop was garrosh.
  • wod was garrosh and then the iron horde and gulā€™dan
  • legion was night elves and demons.
  • bfa was sylvanas and the horde.
  • shadowlands was sylvanas.
  • dragonflight was no one and then right at the end for 2 cutscenes, night elves.

even when the alliance are front and center, what do they do? mostly just cry. why do they cry? because they lost.

why is tyrande crying? because she lost teldrassil.

why is anduin crying? because he lost his dad.

why is magni crying? because he lost azeroth

why is greymane crying? because he lost gilneas

when a horde character is made to cry, they do it like in Old Soldier and everybody loves it.

the closest horde has ever come to knowing what its like to have alliance type lore and storytelling is when voljin fell over and died for no reason.

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I thought you took a break because of this unhealthy obsession.

Now youre just back to same old same old.

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arenā€™t you tired of posting this once every months?

Literally 90% of the playerbase plays horde what else do you want. Just delete alliance as a whole or what?

Considering heā€™s going at it in the EU and US alike, Iā€™m leaning towards no.

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It didnā€™t take long.