The best PvE players and RWF ?!?

Is in realty RWF(Road to World First) showing us the best PvE players in WoW?
Or are we seeing just good players that overgear first the hardest content by countless split runs and then finish it way faster than others just because they overgear everyone else ?Are there way better players that just arent able to play the same amouth or just not in such a guilds(together with streaming communities) that are better by shear skill ?
PS: And if the answer is YES,isnt it fair to be done something so all players should be on even play field for some time (2-4weeks) at the start of new season/raid tier ?

They are some of the best WoW has to offer no doubt about it, however I do believe that the entire RWF teams have become too big and too organized. It looks fake, feels fake and honestly I don’t even remember when I last watched it, honestly I don’t even remember.

average “not rwf” finishers 10+ ilvls higher than rwf runners, and yea, so far it’s the best raiders right now, even with top bis blablabla gear many people can’t reach same dps/hps numbers what they got with pretty low gear

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I actually think you can find better players on certain classes/specs from top 100-150 guilds world wide

They’re probably not the absolute best players out there, there will always be someone out there that’s better, but they’re definitely really good players, you gotta be I think.

Depends on your definition of the best players. Raiding in WoW contains several parts:

  1. Organization - gather right composition of specs, players preparing for playing their specs, physical ability to play, good connection, communication and so on.
  2. Planning - thorough analysis of game mechanics and systems, finding out the optimal way of progression, breaking down mechanics, etc. Make a second by second plan of action for tough moments, finding out the perfect moments to press CDs by all raid members. Preparing weakauras, addons and other tools.
  3. Execution - perfect following the plan by players, rotations with best possible dps outcome, performing all the mechanics and so on.

If you consider all this parts, RWF guilds are the best at current moment.

It feels fake because the RWF is simply just another way to advertise themselves, their Twitch channels and their organisations because WoW gameplay is an incredibly small niche for earning money so its best to get as much as you can while its still relevant. Being good at WoW doesn’t transfer well to the wider world or even the other popular multiplayer games out there (which mostly is filled by fps/moba).

It has been said in the past that effective guild or raid management by the leader could be used to make a point about one having the skills to manage a group of people for an intended purpose.

But definitely not the gameplay

Being able to manage a WoW guild or raid is vastly different from managing people in the real world.

Even from the perspective that some of these are gaming organisations, its still nothing like managing people in an actual workforce doing something that isn’t gaming. I wouldn’t see Max from Liquid suddenly managing a team of construction workers or even sales staff for example, the skills don’t transfer like you think they would in the real world.

The RWF generally do the kills in much lower gear than the average mythic player does later.

Ow overgear u say i wanna see u do it really.

They are good yes, but i doubt they are the only good players out there. They are more dedicated tho. I think theres plenty of good wow players wich just play the game to raid or do mythis for fun instead of organizing and preparing so much just to be first for clout

Are there girls competing in those teams or it’s just a sausage fest? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

They are not the only good players no, but still there is a reason why Liquid and Echo, method is only the guilds that u see on RWF. And also they always win it. Says enough. Its also not about 1 person those 20 people need to play together and know eachother.

All of RWF is a travesty.

They’re getting paid.

Average (even above average) guilds can’t compete with split runs or with people who have can set aside real life for 2 weeks.
Even if gear would literally cease to exist, it wouldn’t be a fully fair challenge. Someone with better english summed up the monetary aspect of eSports:

“If you’re a good enough player you’ll get the sponsorships that will enable you to compete” pretty much sums it all up while also being flat out incorrect. i know this is hard to grasp but there is significantly more that goes into competition over a multibillion dollar industry by many heavily-financed real-world corporate entities than individual performance in a children’s video game. Success at the top end of wow is fundamentally not about one’s own ability to play and almost entirely about one’s placement within one of the organizations that have only a parasitic interest or involvement with the game

At least this is what some article over 10 years ago used to say.

Personally I would never bring up videogames in any capacity in an interview. In the eyes of the society (or at least the HR departments) the videogames still carry the stigma of the unproductive social reject…

I think they are the best teams of players. There might be some individual players out there that can be considered “better”, 100 parcers etc.

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