The biggest problem with LFR

ah even the ranged was it any good?
as in the tank upstairs didnt get one shot by the banshee/abomination adds

hm alright for me if the usual all melee dont go down with the occasional combust fire mage hunter or boomie the other groups are too few melee going in and of course wiping

Yes, we wiped of course, but it was fun.

i mostly joined lfr, with friends back in the day, to sabotage the raid… dam it was fun days back then

I was about to type lol cool story bruh then realised who I was replying to and thought yeah…

Just the selfish individual who would think that was funny.

Never mind. Maybe one day you will be successful in something vaguely important instead of beating a videogame on a higher difficulty.

Always go in there naked!

ITT everybody who disagrees with me is wrong.

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He never said that :slight_smile: He just meant that even if it’s easy LFR do the strat, maybe someone is first time here and needs minimal explanation? (especialy tanks)

People who already have replied have a point OP.
Like it or not but LFR is the most “forgiving” difficulty so people tend to there relaxed and etc.
There is no way a person will have the same mindset(flasks, food, prepots, augment runes amd etc) on LFR as they would be on mythic or HC.

And its in human nature. You will play with a different mindset when you are playing football in the yard with friends and on a world championship…

or if you take break from raiding you go there to farm currency for shards.

its easier and faster then normal clear.

LFR is the problem itself. It shouldnt be in the game at all.

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no the problem is players who have absolutely no idea what to do and ignore the instructions in chat, or even queue as healers and then reroll dps.
and to be fair, most encounters are tuned around that: most lfr fights can actually be done without any care of the mechanics, even with people exploding in the middle of the raid multiple times, or just afk.

the problems arise only when there are specific fights that require a significant fraction of the players to know the mechanics, or if the numbers of fake healers is too high.

I’ll do the mechanics, but I will absolutely waste no consumables on it, or stress over my performance.

so really OP is right on the money, too many people think “its just lfr” and “you dont need to do tacs” and thus it becomes a :poop: show that often ruins it for everyone

is it on blizz to do something about it? yes
could people also change their attitudes? yes

but they wont, because “its just lfr” :no_mouth: which is a shame as it could be a lot better

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Exactly.
Almost every reply tells me I’m wrong then explains why I’m right.

What a contradictory world we live in

You shouldnt call your bubble “world”.

Its blizzs and their shards idea fault that people are FORCED to do lfr. No wonder they just want to get it done asap without taking care ot tactics or anything. Its a shard farming symulator not a raid. And since ita shards farming symulator you dont need to wastw consumes on it.

And people there? Oh god. Try doing more dps than them while half afking and they will kick you out for being elitist.

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Most of the time that I saw wipes in LFR is not because of people cba of getting out of a puddle but mostly cause of clueless people that despite explanations keep dying on the same things.

So yeah you can easily complete lfr in “take it easy is just lfr bro” mode if people there actually had the mental ability to read the chat after 1 wipe to understand what they did wrong.

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Maybe if they stop making 15min long fights that would help.

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For you that might be true.
But for others it’s not. For them LFR IS the raid. They will not see any other version of the raid for as long as it’s current content.

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LFR is intentionally designed to be completable by people who don’t want to worry about any sort of strats or mechanics. It is designed to be harder to fail than succeed. There will be cases where just showing up and doing things won’t be enough, like N’zoth, but that’s not the case for the vast majority of LFR enounters, because whether you like it or not, you could, without exaggeration, kill most LFR bosses by mashing random keybinds on your keyboard.

It’s not even the case of “it’s just LFR”, it’s that the majority of the players who do LFR don’t do it looking for a challenge, but just to see the content, and that will not change.

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If a few people behave like that, sure.
But not if everyone behaves like that.

True.
The only way to change that is to create a TRUE storymode for the raid.
And turn LFR into a TRUE ‘learning the ropes’ type of thing, where you prepare for higher difficulties. And in that case LFR shouldn’t be released last. But actually first, ahead of all the other difficulties. Storymode can then follow last, once mythic is out.

Well, most LFR bosses are taken down by brute-force. Sometimes there are fights where your raid at least needs a general idea on what to do, but that’s an exception to the rule. If healing is clearly a problem and you have healers in dps spec, just kick them, pretty simple.

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