So I finihed the disc fragment quest where they do the “big and shocking” reveal, that the titans -hurr-durr- dared to give their creations a programmed purpose, and it was servitude, how evil to put created servants into servitude, and possible evil hidden motives, and the big kick to the sack, our entire history is a lie. -hurr-durr-
I am so tired of these overused cliches and bad writings. I know many people will say that I am wrong, and will call me names, but I really disappointed of the lack of talent and ideas in the late expansions. The big twist in lore is that we contradict everything that was establised in the old days, the black became wgite, the dark light.
Wow, what an uniqe and creative way of writing.
This is known since 2013 (or even earlier). The Curse of Flesh is commonly attributed to giving all Titantic Races free will.
That the Titans are problematic is also known since over a decade.
The titans were never the nice guys. We had to shut down their plan of mass genocide back in Wotlk because Azeroth wasnt “going as planned” even after Algalon saw that Yogg-Saron was already defeated and the reason for the signal being dealt with. It was on Algalons whim to defy the Titans that the world wasnt reset (as he stated that even if he would to perish against us the signal would continue to be broadcast and Azeroth eradicated).
The same engine of mass genocide also became a problem in BFA as N’Zoth was attempting to use it.
Their creations also causing additional problems in MoP.
Theres a reason why some people generally prefer an old god like N’Zoth as a deity given N’Zoth in the very least had all his minions serve him willingly.
Algalon states the following if he despawns by the raid failing to kill him in time:
Analysis complete. There is partial corruption in the planet’s life-support systems as well as complete corruption in most of the planet’s defense mechanisms.
Begin uplink: Reply Code: Omega. Planetary re-origination requested.
Farewell, mortals. Your bravery is admirable, for such flawed creatures.
We also have an explanation of what reorgination meant:
Brann Bronzebeard says: Planetary re-origination? Speak plainly, ye blasted machine! Archivum System says: The decomposition of the planet and its living organisms into base elements: metals, rocks, gases. This is followed by a period of reconstitution of each element into the original planetary blueprint.
Algalon also confirmed that the Titans eradicate whole worlds on a pretty much daily basis just because they didnt stick to the plan. For all intends and purposes they could be regarded evil and the Pantheon isnt much different from Sargeras.
And that Azeroth is interfering with what happens is apparent since BFA as she directly interfered in our fight against N’Zoth (and again during Shadowlands where she reached into Zereth Mortis and empowered us and made us immune to the Jailers domination magic). That shes also not a fan of the titans also makes sense given their previous actions.
Surprisingly it is not
From day one it was established the Titans made the Titan-forged from the very crust of Azeroth and they were stone and metal servants obeying orders
They had personalites, that is true, but always were essentially nothing but constructs; golems and like any construct they had to obey their creator wishes - mostly thats why it was sho devastating when Loken went rouge and later the Curse of Flesh was introduced
It is still pretty black and white, the Titans never were really portrayed as benevolent deites - case in point they installed a firggin Doomsday device to wipe the whole planet clean if things go sideways including every organic life and their creations
I’m always up for a lore critique (SL cough cough uhum, excuse me) but sorry bud you’re kind of at a loss here.
People above me already pointed that the Titans very much always had their own agenda and aren’t the benevolent gods that we once thought they were.
Now is this lore always well portrayed through compelling characters and careful world building? Not imo, I find the Earthen a particularly uninspired medium to explore this lore, the fact that all their voices sound like they’re AI generated and they speak like cartoon robots from the 70s doesn’t help with conveying the message.
Ever since the first Chronicles book it’s been increasingly more apparent that Azeroth isn’t a Titan, but a really powerful (maybe the most powerful?) World Soul and every cosmic force is out there to get her so they can dominate. The Titans are simply one of those cosmic forces, which some races happen to be in some way related to (Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, likely the Draenei as Argus was ordered by the Titans, and even the Orcs I think.)
I can fully appreciate that some of those details are locked behind raids and dungeons and can be easily missed, and that’s a different issue.
World Soul is the name given to Titans when they are still hatching. Azeroth has been called Titan left and right including by other Titans. Sargeras also saw her looking at him when he was pulled down into her a chamber for a brief moment before being sent back to the Twisting Nether. Magni also called her a Titan.
She is however unlike other Titans (also as stated by Aman’thul and Aggramar) and so far has shown to despise the Pantheon (or anyone that wishes to control her). So far she has only shown to directly support Magni and the players.
We have also already encountered a World Soul previously during Legion. Argus. Although Argus was stated to be severely weaker than Azeroth.
If I create a neighbourhood in Sims and then let it run its course without interfering all the time and see that it takes a turn for something I don’t like (for example a pet dies or two characters form a relationship that I don’t want etc.) and I step in to change stuff to my liking, am I somehow evil?
If an NPC that gives me a lucrative quest tells me “I don’t like your face”, and I quicksave to kick his bottom then quickload to before the beating to accept the quest, am I evil?
Titans are not evil. They are simply playing a “cosmic game”, and we are mere molecules in it. They just are.
They didnt create a neighbourhood. They invaded one. And yes, genociding an entire planet is what the majority of people consider evil. Same goes for them trying to suffocate free will. Only a handful of Azeroths races are of Titan origin to make it worse.
They are not just “evil” but they are also incredibly stupid. If Algalon would have gone through with the Pantheons plan then the Pantheon would have effectively caused the eradication of the entire cosmos because by that point the Pantheon was already killed off by Sargeras and nobody was capable of stopping Sargeras other than us. And after Sargeras there would have been the Jailer who was playing Sargeras like a fiddle and he would have rewritten reality.
Basically the only one with half a brain cell was Algalon who defied his titantic masters.
The planet already existed. Same for Argus. Including a variety of races living on it (its one of the reasons why Razsageth waged war against the Aspects, as her the other incarnates rejected the Titans. The Dragons are one of Azeroth native races (amongst others). The ones that invaded the planet were the old gods as well as the Pantheon.
its all well known titans are order but to their own
azeroth is basically a titan incubator
and reorigination chambers was done to wipe out everything like reset button
soo
titans got mad = we fight them
azeroths wake up = we die
reset button happen = we are wiped
Not necessarily. I mean Argus got extracted and it didnt wipe the planet (it already got raptured beforehand by the legion). Azeroth may just wake up and materialize above ground.
Azeroth must have indeed teleport on the surface to not blow up entire planet lmao
epizode 1 = azeroth is stabbed (legion)
episode 2 = azeroth is bleeding xd (bfa)
ep 3 azeroth is healing xd (df)
ep 4 azeroth is singing radiant song (tww)
but for what ? seems like the writers are clowns and dont know themselfes
so yeah u can pay atention to lore but dont be overly critical to it xD
just go with the flow too much stupid happens in wow anyways
If you really want to go loopy with it, Chronicles claims that life started to emerge from the world after the titans defeated the black empire.
All organic life that started to flourish flourished after the black empire was defeated and Eonar specifically was said to have imbued the life that took hold after the black empire was gone.
Even if the ‘natural’ races have no titan lineage like the Curse of Fleshed races do, they still carry the titan thumprint, either by direct influence or by being a product of a titan cultivated nature.
It’s really boggling once you try to grasp just how much control the titans are implied to have in the direction life on Azeroth took
Blizzard said that the Chronicles are “written” by the perspective of the Titans.
Also there is this
Page 3: First: All historical records documenting the advancements of the Black Empire are to be purged.
Paint that age as one of chaos and misery, a pernicious blight that we keepers eradicated. With the Old Gods locked in confinement, there should be no evidence available to contradict our assertions.
At most Azeroth herself can be attributed to giving life to the races of Azeroth like the trolls. Its her backyard, not that of the Pantheon (or the old gods for that matter). We do know that the elementals were already there before the arrival of both the old gods and pantheon as the Elemental Lords waged war against the old gods and lost.
The races that would have ultimately come to life (or have for that matter) would be races such as the Proto-Drakes that we know are descendants of the elementals that werent locked away in their respective planes. The Proto Drakes did not have the titantic footprint (at best old god footprints but that is up for debate) and its again a reason why Raszageth, Iridikron, Fyrakk and Vyranoth refused the titans gift.
And we know the titans arent required to spring life as we’ve seen so with Draenor which already had life flourish prior to Aggramars arrival. It seems the only requirement for life are the elements as far as our plane is concerned.
I’m aware and have honestly felt like chron 1 that it was written atleast from the perspective from someone who exists in the world of warcraft rather then an author yeah, didn’t imagine it was the titans but I think there was a way of storytelling that hinted at that since the start.
Doesn’t mean that it’s any less reliable then any other author and honestly I don’t hold it above the titans to lets say, after they defeated the Black Empire, reset the surface through some reorigination process and then nurture life back into existance but under their influence.
Or maybe they did it exactly as chronicles said it, or maybe something else is responsible for life on this world and the titans are just taking credit.
This was Odyn right? There is a part of me that doesn’t want to take this as gospel because what if this is just Odyn trying to take the credit for the Titans work specifically? I highly doubt the void is benevolent even if the titans turn out not to be, we can see its remnants, we can see how it operates, we know the void is an all consuming force.
On the other hand, this can very much be the smoking gun and the secret might be that it goes against what chronicles says indeed; that life actually was around during the black empire.
Oh yeah, I’m not saying life can’t exist without the titans, but that Chronicles claims that life couldn’t exist during the black empires reign and didn’t start flourishing until after the titans defeated the black empire.
Then it makes the claim that as life began to flourish, the titans (eonar by name) went around the place and imbued the life she could find with her own (titan) essence.
That’s what I mean with azeroth life not being of the titans, but carrying their fingerprint nontheless, if that makes sense
