Yep, even when you right click on your Bnet icon and click on WoW, it goes to retail-WoW. Meaning that in current Bliz’s eyes WoW Classic is not even real WoW. I bet Allen J Brack is still bitter that he wasn’t on the original WoW team from the start.
I guess Mike Morhaime finally realized that Blizzard is the same as The Matrix. You only believe in the existence of the original movie (old, original Blizzard) and deny the existence of any crappy sequels (current Blizzard.)
Idk I definitely wont be playing retail in bfa, if I felt like playing another game I’d play something else, soon that’ll be halo reach etc poggers
I quit retail and then came back cause of classic xD I still hop on retail occasionally, but every time I do I almost puke and just go back to classic.
Like the thing with retail is, that there’s tons of great changes that I wouldn’t mind having. But then there’s also loads of crap and also loads of changes that are very debateable. The mindset is also horrible, it’s all constant rush play play and farm more of some incredibly inefficient new isle of queldanas every other patch
If that was actually their plan, they wouldn’t have moved BG’s forward. No one really expected it to be THIS bad. Obv Blizz still dropped the ball big time on faction balance.
If you dont like pvp.
Roll a pve or rp server and stop complain , Thanks.
So where did you go to fish?
So far i fished in start zone (teldrasil village by the trainer/dock) then i think a little in darkshore which is basically the same place. Then on the river between westfall and duskwood BUT only to the stv border as apparently my skill isnt good enough if i move a few pixels over the border (its the same dam river!). After reading a book that set me back a gold piece i was able to cross the magical border and fish in stv where i stood and fished just like any other expansion. Cannot for the life of me remember the name of the fish but itll take cooking way past 200 easy peasy and was a good food to eat.
I really think you have some tunnel vision towards classic as its really not much different.
As for levelling and exploring this is something that you have to do as a player, its not up to blizzard to hold your hand and say hey, go explore.
Well, thanks. You actually confirm what I’m saying. You have to move around, go buy a book, go there and fish, go here and buy a recipe for the good food.
I remember back from Vanilla having to go and fish in Feralas. Either for fishing or for cooking - do not remember, long time ago, and I never palyed Pservers.
As you see from my level, I have not yet been there this time around. I’ll say more when I get there 
Exactly what I mean. No pointers, no breadcrumb quest. Total freedom of choice 
Blizzard miscalculated on how many people that would play Classic. I don’t think they predicted the gank feast on the pvp servers, just like they didn’t predict the chaos at the Wrath prepatch as an example.
I was wise enough to not choose pvp servers for my mains so ganking is not a problem for me. I hope it will get better when we get battlegrounds and enjoyable gaming for the pvp server players as well. I feel quite sorry for all that chose pvp, for reasons of being just like the streamers? or what?
Blizzard made a mistake not releasing both world pvp honor and BG at the same time because they wanted to get as close to Vanilla as possible.
I definitely don’t think they would want it to fail on purpose, there is no logic behind that tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. They want subs, Classic is a profitable way to get it, just refreshing an old game. Cost of servers is pocket money for a company like Blizzard.
The popularity off Classic has been great advertising and many have either returned to the game or trying it out for the very first time.
I’m pretty sure most of us Classic players also enjoy retail or at least want to try it out. Nothing wrong with playing both and personally I’m glad the friends I made in the social environment on Classic I can keep on playing with when I’m in retail. I’ve not played retail for over a year, but had a great time doing old AV and I love the new zone Nazjatar, so beautiful. Working on unlocking flying and doing all the raids. The storyline is interesting and I look forward to Shadowlands.
And Classic is definitely not dead. Just look at the realm selection list: most are high, a few are medium or full, only one at low and at the time 10 am.
Erm you can go explore in ‘retail’ ( theyre both retail ) just the same as you can in classic. Its no different, you pick a direction, start running and see what you find!
I really dont see how fishing in classic is any better (or worse) than bfa (or other continents), either way you find water and fish in it. They both have plain open water and fishing nodes, its all the same except i dont need to read a book to be able to fish 3 pixels to the side of me!
I don’t think I would ever go to retail or any of the copycats out there after playing this amazing game. This is my first time in Classic and it doesn’t resemble any of my previous gaming experiences. When I log in, I do it to immerse myself in the world, to travel and adventure across continents, to work together with other players in order to overcome seemingly impossible challenges, both pve and pvp, to feel my gradual skill progression, and slowly, but surely, to be rewarded for my efforts with appropriate rewards. Why would I pay for fast travelling away from this journey and arriving straight to the extrinsic rewards?
I had same thoughts, for a startthey didn’t believe in classic, didn’t want to believe. The reason is that imagine you’re a developer, you’ve been given an ideal game, which people likes a lot. And then you start to improve it, you do it with all your heart and soul in it, for the 15 years. And then, as a result, people leave and tell that it’s crap and 15 years ago it was way better. And you just cannot accept it, 15 years you’ve been doing a piece of crap? Nonono, surely not.
So it’s with the classic thing, no, you don’t like classic, no you don’t want it back. And it’s not just work of one developer, it’s work of managers, writers, designers, they all cannot accept it.
So it’s simpky sabotage, not enough servers, queues, layering. They didn’t fix it, so you wanted classic - get it and shut ip.
In other words imagine you went into restourant, and there is new chef, you ordered a steak, but it’s new steak, from new chef, and you say no, i want from old chef’s recipy, I don’t like tgis one. So he gets angry, went to kitchen, prepare it with the old recipy, but burn it specially, bring it to you, spit on it before you and say “here it is, now EAT IT, ISN’T IT WHAT YOU WANTED”?
I mean, classic success would mean that whole company been doing trash for the last 15 years, and they nearly killed the game already, and they won’t ever accept it.
You lose all credibility when you choose to insult those that have a different opinion.
I don’t care about retail, I think the vast majority of players that came back for classic don’t do either.
Deal with it
people didn’t know people would go back. most people that play classic dont like or even hate retail from my experience, maybe your experience is different, but I found the majority to not want to play it, people would rather unsub. If this was blizzards plan then they are stupid af. Lol
So getting gang r4p3d by a raid makes you bad at pvp?
Nay sayers is hardly an insult. Ive seen far worse spread across this forum.
You are welcome to your opinion as am i, remember it goes both ways!
All ive tried to say is that for a long time ‘retail got trashed’ i even called it trash myself last year after a couple months of playing bfa. I thought it was garbage. However after playing classic i realised that both games are grind fests that ruin your life in exchange for pixel rewards. Thing is in retail i can chill and mix game time with real life, i can log off and not worry about having to kill another 10,000 boars to find 3 snouts.
Bfa or retail was made out to be the worst thing ever and ive discovered thats not the case and that maybe we all jumped on the band wagon to trash it.
I made a character recently on PvE realm and the atmosphere there is the closest to actual vanilla servers, people are just more relaxed.
P1 was very fun and interesting on PvP servers because everyone was trying so hard to level and acquire the best gear, but in the long run I will enjoy the PvE nature more and stay there even if BG’s make pvp servers playable again.
Ok but it’s clearly an obsession for a fair number of retail players that come to this forum to tell people that they should try retail. It’s like an extension of the “you think you do but you don’t”.
What you fail to understand is that for most of us (I think), there is no animosity towards retail, it’s indiference, we simply don’t care. I would rather play Diablo or God of War.
And it’s you (some retail players) that insist on creating a narrative of confrontation, that basically boils down to: if you don’t play retail, it’s because you’re a hater.
Please do find me the moment in this thread where i explicity told someone to do something.
My commemts have been (in my opinion) fairly passive and along the lines of ‘its not that bad and MAYBE its worth giving a go’.
Id say the ‘git gud’ or the ‘go back to retail’ or ‘go pve’ are worse comments.
I wouldnt call myself a hardcore retail player more of a filthy casual and i certainly not picking a side or ‘only’ being a retail/classic player.
Ive not once suggested you must hate retail ive mainly debated the finer points of fishing with you! One of my early comments even said its fine that you wont ever like retail and yet you say im calling you a hater?
Most of what i see in these forums is folks irritated by hyped server pop ruining wpvp and wanting some form of solution, dont judge a poster by their character!
Yeah, you are being subtle, but the undergoing message is the same, and it goes alone the lines I explained.
Also allow me to tell you that if you talk about classic in retail forums, you will be directed to post here at once, even by MVPs (which is insane)
Its not so much being suttle is more being middle ground. Dont assume everyone is at an extreme end or the other.
Its kinda nuts that theyll kick you from general to classic if you talk about classic within a discussion where it makes sense. Thats blizz level mod for you.
Anyways well be accussed of necro’ing this thread soon so maybe well bump into each fishing somewhere and we can share stories of good fishings spots or a good lure or some rare fish that you hunted all day.
Lmao +1 rep for the tinfoil-hat level of conspiracy theory XD