See, there is a problem in class balance re. dispels.
Due to fantasy setup, some classes have dispellible buffs and defensives… but some are COMPLETELY immune to this. Blizzard saw this and keeps removing dispellible buffs into non-dispellible. Yet we have certain discrepancies. For instance, divine shield, ice block can be dispelled, yet turtle cannot even be shattered afaik.
some offensive buffs are still dispellible, e.g. hot streak pyroblast, yet classes like warrior, rogue or hunter don’t have to care about this.
Pala freedom is dispellible but monk’s not.
At the same time, the power of spellsteal was reduced as pretty much most of buffs you can spellsteal don’t benefit the mage.
Then we have the stun problem. HoJ can be dispelled, but DH stuns cannot afaik? Pala cant just go and stun a dps like warr, dh, rogue etc can.
You might ssay it’s class flavor and that would be fine if… rogues or warrs had certain disadvvantages and we can clearly see they don’t really have those. They can even trinket disarms if they really can afford.
Some things should be addressed…
Turtle isn’t a complete immunity, they can still be hit by aoe. For example, they can still be feared.
Ret when talented isn’t dispellable on the ret, while monk’s isn’t a “freedom” it’s just a rootbreaker+speed buff, so they can still be rooted/slowed while pala freedom is an actual freedom.
BoP, BoF, PW:F, PW:S when facing dpriests, env. mist, PI, Rejuv. They all benefit the mage. Plus, spellstealing divine favor into instant interrupt indirectly benefits the mage.
Chaos nova is dispellable, fel eruption isn’t. But fel eruption is physical, while chaos nova is magical.
AoE stun is dispellable as far as I know, Fel Eruption not.
Not really, not really.
Some specific AoEs may hit them, but they immune Psychic Scream.
Ah, it isn’t? My bad. Everything else is true though. But weird about fel eruption then.
I didn’t say psychic scream though. I didn’t say Fear either. They can still be hit by warr fear when the warr targets something else close to them when using it though. Ergo, feared.
So the point still stands.
yes but earth shield cant be spellstolen but can be dispelled for instance. divine favor doesnt apply to ur spells etc
I would say this is a very hard topic to go into due to different opinions etc but for example, both warriors and rogues are unable to “heal” their allies in a similar way to how paladins can. Or what kind of disadvantages are you talking about?
Also I didn’t mention that poly fear or trap can be dispelled but blind, sap, imprison, cyclone can’t. hex can be decursed only so limited. There is imbalance in this
And Blind and sap can be BoP’d (while mage polymorph and wl fear can’t), and cyclone can be MD’d while blind and sap can’t, and fear effects can be sanc’d, stun effects can be sanc’d, etc etc etc
You see imbalances everywhere when really it’s just tradeoffs and class differences. If anything the specific interactions between forms of CC and whether they be physical, magical etc makes the game more interesting and complex which is good
I mean, turtle is one of the most useless defensives in the game, so why would you want to make it even more useless? Unlike Divine Shield and Ice Block, you can’t use it while in CC and it doesn’t heal you while you’re in it (with DS you can heal yourself, and IB has embedded heal into it)
Only sub can do that, outlaw and assa only can heal with vial.
Thanks for clarifying 
I’m noob
why? why must every ability or class work the same? I like that stuff works different. it requires different approaches for different skills and classes.
what? since when?
Dots go through turtle but i dont think aoe spells go through or fear. (im 99% sure but if you show me otherwise i take that back)
really which for example?
Blade Flurry if you target their pet (or another ally) and the Hunter is nearby, for instance. And so I assume any attack that hits off the main target goes through if they can indeed be feared by Intimidating Shout when used on a nearby ally.
k thanks for the info you never finish learning i guess
Are you serious about this?
if u cast anything in turtle some ccs hit u right thru, like casting door and getting priest feared
Because most those non-dispelable ones have drawbacks, like how Sap only works when you’re out of combat and Blind has a massive CD. Imprison is dispelable too until you talent out of it.
cyclones drawback?
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