Metaphor ey, well what if the carrot is rotten? The item upgrade system is a rotten carrot.
People get a nibble of it on their main and then stop playing.
This rotten carrot did not used to exist and people used to play to the end of the season, with a much larger player-base. So I hope you see that your metaphor doesn’t actually apply here. People used to get max and run an alt, because it was easy to gear up, and dungeons were actually rewarding.
But keeping this system and just making dungeons drop more loot - isn’t going to work.
Because it would be more chunks of rotten carrot.
Oh no, definitely not. In the past, I’ve worked my behind off for my guilds, done all the raid planning / leading, collected herbs for flasks for the whole raid… all to never get as much as a thanks because it was all taken for granted. I’m done with that.
Especially raiding is useless anyway: evenings spent trying to kill the same boss in fights that take up to a quarter hour. I can achieve more in the same time by soloing delves and have better chances to get something out of an M+ run.
A game that consumes my time and I like to get something back for the time invested. Well, guess with the increased crest drops for untimed runs that will be better next season and also reduce the amount of leavers.
The crest changes are already in the game. And i never understood the mentions of leavers while i had 2 in a whole season over half a thousand M+ runs.
Yeah, but I already got my mogs for this season. I had plenty of leavers in PUGs; usually as soon as it’s obvious that a run isn’t gonna be timed. Of course you haven’t experienced that since you mostly play with your premades. I usually don’t leave runs; an untimed run still counts for the vault and has a chance to give loot, but continuing with 4 ppl is often enough not possible either and then others leave as well.
I run one of the largest EU guilds, and it just turned 15 years old.
I understand your original point and people have said the same to me a few times.
You are not alone in your thinking, Naethir, and you do not have to defend your position on it.
Considering the amount of alt runs i have done, i would say i run most of my keys without friends. Like this week i am on 5 runs on my main shaman, and 10 on my paladin and 1 on my monk. It goes on for quite a while like this.
a large portion of people who are involved in gaming will unfortunately play games that either have an end or games that do not have any kind of subscription or games that I have to go in with my friends for 1-2 hours to play and that’s it. there is no ppl that he will get busy running to dress up his player to be the best, etc. I’ve been a gamer for as long as I can remember, I’m 41 years old, I still play wow, FF14, but no with the pace I used to play. For example, I have now been playing games on the Nintendo Switch for a week, because the 2 games I mentioned above have nothing to offer me for the time being.
The basic thing about this kind of games is that there are many that don’t have a subscription but have in-game purchases. I have a friend that we used to play with and he recently switched to lineage2.let’s face it, several online games are released on tablets and mobile phones.
So we just have to keep up with how the situation is going and be content with that.
Maybe I’m just unlucky… or it’s because I don’t use any addons to form groups. I don’t use that IO thing ppl always talk about; I prefer the tools available in game, but M+ score alone and avoiding certain names only takes me so far, I guess.
Well, anyway, let’s just all hope next season is gonna be better; I need to get that DK, Priest and Monk mythic mog!
One of the things we M+ players keep secret is using friendly communities Don’t tell it further but there is something like No Pressure.
0 leavers garanteed.
I’ve joined several of their discords, but still end up inviting through LFG because there are too many people in those communities. I don’t think it’s for me.
Anyway, RL is calling, wish you all the best for now.
I think the issue is that gearing is tuned around M+. In DF I geared used open world sources and it took sooo long. By the time I had acquired Veteran gear up to 463 a new season came and I had to start again (although I didn’t, I went into TWW with most of that 463 gear with a few pieces of Pre-Patch 480s).
From what I can see from the Forums is that M+ is not easily accessible for many players. So the only really viable gearing route is not available to those players, especially on alts.
I generally recommend Communities / Guilds / Discord groups but not even sure if these can cope with the number of players who feel forced into M+ in order to gear.
Not sure what the solutions are anymore. Make gearing outside of M+ more viable? Make M+ more viable (easier tanking / healing, at least in lower keys)? Better catch up systems for alts?
This is the problem I didn’t talk about in the original post, because it was getting kind of long.
Even though guilds are now able to invite people across realms, most are still based on one server, as not many of the guild leaders have taken up making alts on other servers just for the purpose of recruiting people.
Communities have always been cross server yes…
But when the servers drop in population, these member-capped (1000 max) communities and guilds go dead too. Which makes them extremely disposable.
I have to take hours of my time (because the G&C UI is useless) to filter through all of the inactive characters at the start of a season, then put more hours to recruiting more active players, to keep my guild and community filled with enough active characters to even try to do content together as a group.
So this player drop-off puts a lot of strain on guild and community leaders, and eats up a lot of their time.
Of course my guild and community has a discord server…
But try to get all guild members to join it. hmm…
I don’t like discord, a lot of people do not like it. I don’t know why anyone would like it since it has several privacy issues etc, but that’s another topic.
Some discord communities are lucky to have grown to a point where they are viable for making groups. But it is not easy at all to make a discord community. Also, they mostly have very biased moderators, so step on the wrong toes and you are out.
People would rather be able to turn to the Blizzard customer support and games masters, who are trusted, employed admins and moderators, - than be at the mercy of someone who shouldn’t even be a moderator.
Just saying, so that you have some scope on why many people do not want to join these discord communities.
It is Blizzard’s responsibility to do everything it can to make in-game communities and guilds easy to run and to stop the end of season player drop-off, so that those guilds and in-game communities do not go dead and end up as disposable gloves.
In-game communities and guilds are very important to the whole community of the game.
Re. Finished going groceries and finally got my Zekvir ?? kill… turns out Shadow is easier than Pala; or I’m simply better at playing Shadow.
Yeah, I heard that; what I mean is that I don’t use raider IO addon / home page or some such to see ppl’s rating ingame, which is apparently possible - like seeing that of their main chars and their “parsing” or however that stuff is called.
Na, but in LFG I can easily see ppl’s score (at least of their current char), while on discord I don’t even know how someone’s char is called before becoming BFFs with them; that’s scary. To many ppl with too many stuff that has to be talked about before actually getting into a game… it just really isn’t for me.
Ouff, sounds exhausting indeed. Think that’s why many communities & bigger guids don’t even go through the hassle, but that also leads to those groups feeling “dead” or anonymous. Good luck with yours! Hope the tuning etc. for next season might bring some relief at least.
a 3 item level increase on an item is not a reward. It’s just a number increasing on the screen. The item upgrade system is not rewarding to people. It is a hugely time consuming chore.
The old system, where you only need to get a new epic armour in each slot, each season, was rewarding. So rewarding that people would play as many as 10 alts and get them all max item level, and still play to the end of a season.
just use the guild UI, there is a tab for it in there.
We are getting like 40-50 ilvl boost per season …is sick …(Diablo 4 copy )
During Wotlk We had TOC and every Wednesday my server (we didn’t had lf tools or merged servers ) there we had tens- of lf raid groups for naxx-ulduar …
That was the golden era of Wow . People had options and tiers weren’t irrelevant like now …
I had plenty of leavers in PUGs; usually as soon as it’s obvious that a run isn’t gonna be timed. Of course you haven’t experienced that since you mostly play with your premades. I usually don’t leave runs; an untimed run still counts for the vault and has a chance to give loot, but continuing with 4 ppl is often enough not possible either and then others leave as well.
Don’t tell it further but there is something like No Pressure.
